My only gripe about the first movie was this. Why in the world would you send your entire fleet off to wherever and leave a home world defenseless. That to me makes no sense. Other than that it was a pretty good movie even if it did venture far off the original.

Well Earth already has a series of defensive lines to protect them. That's why the Romulans needed the codes to bypass since if those lines were triggered, even they can't stop the entirity of the Federation Fleet and defense structures coming down on them.

Also, given the state of things, nobody expected such a massive assualt on Earth at the time. It seemed impossible at the moment till they were proven wrong.

I still haven't seen the first one out of fear of being alienated, because none of the previews of either of Abram's Trek films even look like Star Trek to me.

There's a reason the new movies are actually making money.

Exactly my point, it seemed impossible at the time. Only a fool would make such an assumption and you would think in that day and age the lesson would have been learned. Nothing is impossible.

When you're one of the biggest powers in the known Galaxy, the last thing you expect is some large ship coming barrelling down to the capital planet. Especially when none of the other major known powers (aka the Klingons and Romulans) arn't even in a state of wars against you.

Perhaps I worded it incorrectly.

Rather than impossible, it was improbable. Earth has its own defensive system which they thought would protect them against incoming threats but when that system is bypassed, things start to go to shit. They didn't just have the fleet go off, without a form a defense. Starfleet isn't that foolish, and at this time it was the logical choice of action. So you're telling me if you were in their shoes you wouldn't be comfortable at least when it came to conflicts.(pre-Star Trek). With your large defensive perimeter and yet not even in a state of war.

Can someone say of this new film is a bit more...I dunno..."mature"? If the characters/story are more compelling.

I'm obviously a ST fan but I do have common sense and went to see the 2009 movie expecting nothing more than a cool sci-fi action flick with the Star Trek label stuck on it as a formality. And I was still disappointed. Plot was senseless (not that most other ST films are much better in this regard), characters were bland, Kirk was a generic "action hero", the Nokia product placement was in atrociously bad taste, scenes like Spock/Uhura making out and Kirk needlessly firing at the doomed villain's ship made no sense and were just inserted to blindly adhere to the pattern of a Hollywood blockbuster (we need a kissing scene, we need a shooting scene). Rehashed Star Wars scenes and filming style...

I really have trouble understanding why so many consider this film good (either as ST or generally), especially compared to the previous movies not counting the likes of Nemesis which is merely the precursor to the decline carried on by 2009. The first 5 minutes felt great but ultimately ST09 couldn't even provide the basic entertainment of a cool space battle (like Wrath of Khan or First Contact). 

Is there any chance I might enjoy Into Darkness? Has the financial success of 2009 given them leeway to come up with something more engaging?  Is there less lens flare at least? 

[quote who="Jean=A=Luc" reply="22" id="3359640"]Is there less lens flare at least? [/quote]

I just wish people would avoid aerodynamic space battles......

.....with sound....

Space battles need sound, it would be strange to sit in complete silence just watching how ships fire, although in space there is no(t enough) matter that can spread sound but still, it would be funny to see a giant space battle and hear nothing at all it is an unfortunate thing, reality is too boring for a film I think..

The new BSG had a great compromise when it comes to space sound. It did have sound but everything was muffled and low-key. Made for a great atmosphere. 

Trek 2009 had no sound in space too for a moment in the Kelvin battle scene when people got sucked out into space they were screaming until the got out in vacuum. Then "silence". There were a few silent phaser blasts in that scene too. So that was a nice compromise. The only reason there is "sound in space" at all in these movies is because they would be "uninteresting" otherwise. People associate everything with sound. You see a big explosion you expect to hear a big BOOM.

Eve online had a nice compromise too. They acknowledge the fact that there is no sound in space, but inside your capsule the sound of everything outside is "simulated" to enhance your senses.

I am an old school trekkie, and the "this is not Star Trek, because it doesn't have this, or that" is getting really tired. It is obvious that JJ trek is NOT intended to please old school fans. 20 years from now when someone else remakes Trek again the JJ fans will do the exact same bitching you all are doing right now.

QFT

I enjoyed watching Star Trek TOS although I don't consider myself a fan.  It was one of the best sci fi series on TV at the time.  I also enjoyed TNG but I never got into the Trek spin off series.

I thought the first movie was kinda crappy.  Too little plot, too many views of the new Enterprise.  I loved the second one though!  Ricardo Montalban was phenomenal!

I also enjoyed the new Star Trek movie.  Sure, it's different from the series.  Sure, it's more action than acting.  You have to remember that they are created for today's theater goers.  The ones that walk around with their faces glued to their iPhones, android phones, tablets Etc..  If nothing happens in a movie for over 30 seconds, they get bored.

I don't compare these movies with the older movies or the series.  I take them for what they are.  A new version using the same characters.  (Names and job titles at least)

I have yet to see Into Darkness. (waiting for the rush to die down) But from the clips I've seen it looks to be as entertaining as the first one.

Well, nice to see that in the 23rd century you still need to whack things to get them to work. (If you seen the movie you will get the reference). My next question is, how freaking big is JJ's USS Enterprise?

It look like it has as much room as a Borg Cube ship...

It's freaking BIG. Over 2000 meters according to the official scale charts. Which makes it bigger than the galaxy, and sovereign class's. I find the up-scale of the reboot ship kind of ridiculous too. Still looked tiny compared to the latest "ubership" it is up against.

Just saw the movie. Yea it is kinda been there, done that, However it was quite enjoyable. As good as 2009 IMO.