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Published on November 10, 2012 By Frogboy In Elemental Dev Journals

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Very soon we plan to release the very first Map Pack for Elemental: Fallen Enchantress.  In addition to a new hand crafted map for every map size along with new stamps to spice up random map generation, it also includes the full Anthys map. A gigantic map that contains the entire known world of Elemental (at least, as of ~150 AC).


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on Nov 11, 2012

Wizaerd
If you think this game is finished, you've not played it very much.

I more than think the game is "finished", as I'm pretty sure it said version 1.0 not long ago. So long as you have patching, games are in theory never "completed", but I think it is fairly clear what was being stated. The game is Gold, not pre-alpha, or even beta. Gold. Done. And you'd have to define "very much". In Elemental in total, I have around 130 hours+ (about 50+ of which are in FE).

Wizaerd
There is an abundance of bugs yet remaining

Yep, thats how games are released now.. And in the past too really. Every game I have played on the PC has one bug or another. It is the nature of PC(and any medium) games.

Wizaerd
as well as a plethora of things that can be added.

Indeed. Among that plethora, MP can fit nicely.

Wizaerd
As far as evidence to support my claim? Which claim exactly? The one where developmental resources would be reallocated? That's not a claim, that's how the world works. Being a professional software developer for over 30+ years, I've seen and have been part of this reallocation bunches of times. You have to look at the ROI for embarking on such a path, and based on polls taken here, that return would be minimal.

The evidence required here would be an understanding of how long it would take to actually set up the game for MP. Unless you happen to know how long it would take for Brad and others to get it added in, we can't do a ROI because you do not know the time invested vs payout. So it is all speculation unless they chime in.

 

I'd also like to add that I never stated when I wanted MP. They do not have to work on it right this moment and to hell with everything else. If anything, I'm patient. Just so long as the option for MP is there and worked on at some point is what I'd like to have. And if they do not.. Well, I'm sure I'd get over it.

on Nov 12, 2012

Any chance to get details on the stamps included?

on Nov 12, 2012

has anybody else noticed that several of the towns on anthys map as pictured are within FOUR squares of another town and therefore could not have been built?

harpo

 

on Nov 12, 2012

harpo99999
has anybody else noticed that several of the towns on anthys map as pictured are within FOUR squares of another town and therefore could not have been built?

harpo

 

 

I can't find any such towns. I can see a few that have 4 squares in between cities that were built further apart and have since expanded towards one another. Also, YAY! Can't wait!

on Nov 12, 2012

Wizaerd



Quoting Rath3130,
reply 58

Quoting Wizaerd, reply 53Quoting NorsemanViking, reply 52 Quoting Sentinemodo, reply 51Fb, will you press for multiplayer DLC if I buy this one?

Please please, kind Froggie.
I'll buy two of 'em if don't do any MP!

Yes, because the game allowing us to play with our friends would inconvenience you Wizaerd. 

 


It would, because it would reallocate development effort, time, and resources from the SP to MP, all for a very small percentage of players.  So yes, it would greatly inconvienence me.

Many of the gamers that like MP for these kinds of games haven't bought this game yet. As an administrator of the Steam NO QUITTERS-group (under the name NQ-Luckystrike) I'm alot in touch with the Civ5 MP community, and I'm promoting Fallen Enchantress like a madman. People are intrested and think the game seems like something they'd want to play, but the first question I always get is; Does it have MP?

Bringing MP in will in a short termed view, as you say, reallocate some of the developers from other things. In the long run on the other hand MP is vital to broaden the community of Elemental; Fallen Enchantress. In the long run I'm convinced it's the way to go and that it will benefit the community as a whole.

Another thing; MP in this game would be bloody fun. That's an important factor as well.....

on Nov 12, 2012

NorsemanViking

Quoting Wizaerd, reply 59


Quoting Rath3130,
reply 58

Quoting Wizaerd, reply 53Quoting NorsemanViking, reply 52 Quoting Sentinemodo, reply 51Fb, will you press for multiplayer DLC if I buy this one?

Please please, kind Froggie.
I'll buy two of 'em if don't do any MP!

Yes, because the game allowing us to play with our friends would inconvenience you Wizaerd. 

 


It would, because it would reallocate development effort, time, and resources from the SP to MP, all for a very small percentage of players.  So yes, it would greatly inconvienence me.


Many of the gamers that like MP for these kinds of games haven't bought this game yet. As an administrator of the Steam NO QUITTERS-group (under the name NQ-Luckystrike) I'm alot in touch with the Civ5 MP community, and I'm promoting Fallen Enchantress like a madman. People are intrested and think the game seems like something they'd want to play, but the first question I always get is; Does it have MP?

Bringing MP in will in a short termed view, as you say, reallocate some of the developers from other things. In the long run on the other hand MP is vital to broaden the community of Elemental; Fallen Enchantress. In the long run I'm convinced it's the way to go and that it will benefit the community as a whole.

Another thing; MP in this game would be bloody fun. That's an important factor as well.....

 

The Civ V MP community showed interest in FE only if it has MP?  Shocking...

 

MP could be fun for a few.  But it should most definitely not ever detract from the SP experience.  Frogboy said it best here:

 

https://forums.galciv2.com/98074

on Nov 12, 2012

I would rather not see MP for enhanced single player capabilities. It's going to take a lot of time and money to make FE multiplayer ready is what I am suspecting, and even if it does happen I believe people will be disappointed because I am sure certain features would need to be dumbed down or dropped all together. I would rather see all that time and money spent developing the single player experience because that is who is going to want to play this game. MP in a 4x TBS is a niche inside of a niche. The market is a lot smaller than the entire market because these games are hard to do MP, I mean they take copious amounts of time. Dominion 3 games can take months to play, but that is what that game is built for and that is why people are still paying $60 for it. 

 

tl;dr: No multiplayer for better singleplayer 

on Nov 12, 2012

I agree with the above posters.

Please do not implement multtiplayer for FE.

on Nov 12, 2012

charon2112




...But it should most definitely not ever detract from the SP experience.  Frogboy said it best here:

 

https://forums.galciv2.com/98074

Most, if not all, of us agree the great thypical singleplayer features should stay also in multiplayer. An example is of course the unit designer. Games like FE don't atract those who want 10-30 min rts multiplay. We want the singleplayer experience but versus humans, or a combination of humans and AI.

 

on Nov 12, 2012

Borg999
I agree with the above posters.

Please do not implement multtiplayer for FE.

 /whine....

I want to play coop with my mates

~ K

on Nov 12, 2012

NorsemanViking

Quoting charon2112, reply 82



...But it should most definitely not ever detract from the SP experience.  Frogboy said it best here:

 

https://forums.galciv2.com/98074


Most, if not all, of us agree the great thypical singleplayer features should stay also in multiplayer. An example is of course the unit designer. Games like FE don't atract those who want 10-30 min rts multiplay. We want the singleplayer experience but versus humans, or a combination of humans and AI.

 

 

How would that work though?  Who can dedicate the hours/days/weeks that's required for a good long 4x game to a session of MP?  And you're counting on all of the other human players playing in character appropriate to their faction and using diplomacy?  I don't see it ever working.

on Nov 12, 2012

charon2112


 You got a free game (and should also be getting the second major expansion free too).  But you aren't entitled to get everything Stardock makes for free for the rest of your life.

 

I didnt get a free game, i paid for one game and got another.Theres a very big difference there.However i wasnt aware of the second part of what youve said...."and should also be getting the second major expansion free too"........If thats accurate ill simply have to wait to get that ...

 

If that is indeed accurate,then the "deal" isnt finished yet,and ill have to wait til it is before i decide on if its been met.I find it hard to believe they would do an expansion,and not give it the huge map feature,especially after selling the huge map feature as a dlc extra before hand.

Can you point me to where it says " second major expansion free too" ?

 

 

on Nov 12, 2012


Quoting charon2112, reply 75

 You got a free game (and should also be getting the second major expansion free too).  But you aren't entitled to get everything Stardock makes for free for the rest of your life.

 

I didnt get a free game, i paid for one game and got another.Theres a very big difference there.However i wasnt aware of the second part of what youve said...."and should also be getting the second major expansion free too"........If thats accurate ill simply have to wait to get that ...

 

If that is indeed accurate,then the "deal" isnt finished yet,and ill have to wait til it is before i decide on if its been met.I find it hard to believe they would do an expansion,and not give it the huge map feature,especially after selling the huge map feature as a dlc extra before hand.

Can you point me to where it says " second major expansion free too" ?

 

 

 

When Brad first announced the free expansion, he said that people that bought WoM before a certain date (which I believe was anytime in 2010) they would get the first two major expansions free.

 

Does anyone have a quick link?  I can't search right now.

on Nov 12, 2012

Frogboy

Quoting ProteusJN, reply 8Will we be able to use ships on this map?

 

The map looks like naval transport would be rather useful

(unless you fight your way through the northern land bridge or use Tactics of Elemental: WoM, i.e. passing the ocean by raising land (something I rather dislike, i have to say))

Most of the maps will have ships on them.

Am I missing something?  I've only ever played on random maps and have been thinking about asking for ships.  Is this something that is coming to the game as a whole, or do ships exist currently and only appear on custom maps?

on Nov 12, 2012

People who bought WOM before the end of October 2010 get the upcoming expansion pack to FE for free as well.

As for MP, we've had a lot of internal discussions on this. Nothing has been decided. It won't be in the expansion though. IF we have it, it'll be in a future update. Just comes down to available development resources and deciding whether tactical battles would have to be supported to deliver the experience we would require.

 

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