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Published on November 10, 2012 By Frogboy In Elemental Dev Journals

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Very soon we plan to release the very first Map Pack for Elemental: Fallen Enchantress.  In addition to a new hand crafted map for every map size along with new stamps to spice up random map generation, it also includes the full Anthys map. A gigantic map that contains the entire known world of Elemental (at least, as of ~150 AC).


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on Nov 11, 2012

Wizaerd
It would, because it would reallocate development effort, time, and resources from the SP to MP, all for a very small percentage of players. So yes, it would greatly inconvienence me.

 

First, where is the evidence to support your claim? Second, the game is finished. DLC is added extra-take it or leave it-content. The majority or minority is irrelevant. We'd get what we pay for, and if there are those of us out there willing to pay for it.

on Nov 11, 2012

Rath3130

Quoting Wizaerd, reply 59It would, because it would reallocate development effort, time, and resources from the SP to MP, all for a very small percentage of players. So yes, it would greatly inconvienence me.

 

First, where is the evidence to support your claim? Second, the game is finished. DLC is added extra-take it or leave it-content. The majority or minority is irrelevant. We'd get what we pay for, and if there are those of us out there willing to pay for it.

If you think this game is finished, you've not played it very much.  There is an abundance of bugs yet remaining, as well as a plethora of things that can be added.  As far as evidence to support my claim?  Which claim exactly?  The one where developmental resources would be reallocated?  That's not a claim, that's how the world works.  Being a professional software developer for over 30+ years, I've seen and have been part of this reallocation bunches of times.   You have to look at the ROI for embarking on such a path, and based on polls taken here, that return would be minimal.

on Nov 11, 2012

Or i could look at it as,is the new incarnation a kept promise as a replacement for the first incarnation.

First incarnation had HUGE as a map size selection.Its not in the new incarnation.As map size is a big one for me,the new incarnation is a step backwards in that.I paid for a game with HUGE maps.

First incarnation had more factions allowed per map.Now i seem limited to a max of 8.Another big one for me,and to me another step in the wrong direction.

First incarnation had ships.New incarnation doesnt..Another big one for me,and another step in the wrong direction far as i feel about it.

 

BUT for only $5 more,i can get huge maps back,ships back,etc... ?Things i already paid for ,i can now pay an additional $5 to get back ?Seems to me they could have picked a far better choice of features to test dlc reactions,than ones i already paid for in the original purchase.

on Nov 11, 2012

First incarnation had more factions allowed per map.Now i seem limited to a max of 8.Another big one for me,and to me another step in the wrong direction.

First incarnation had ships.New incarnation doesnt..Another big one for me,and another step in the wrong direction far as i feel about it.

You can add as many factions as you want, same as in WoM. However you can only have 1 of each so after 8 you have to create custom factions.

Ships never worked in WoM. Like in FE they existed solely for the campaign.

on Nov 11, 2012

I'll buy it for the stamps. But also to support more substantial DLC.

on Nov 11, 2012

Or i could look at it as,is the new incarnation a kept promise as a replacement for the first incarnation.

But this isn't a replacement, this is an addition. They certainly did not take away your right to play WoM. So you now have 2 different games for the price you paid.

on Nov 11, 2012

seanw3
I'll buy it for the stamps. But also to support more substantial DLC.
Agreed. The $5 is worth it to me to throw some extra oomph to the random maps, more substantial DLC would be icing.

on Nov 11, 2012

Ships were a feature the original was sold as containingas far as i remember.Ships were usable by players,i clearly remember building and using them.The AI had issue using ships,and there were some bugs and issues with them for player use as well,so at some point in the originals "development" after retail they were dropped.Much as the whole first incarnation was dropped in favor of providing buyers with a new more solid incarnation.

So I still look at this as having bought a game that included ships as a feature.

 

On opponents.Ive created multiple custom factions but never gotten more than a choice of 8 as max.So i went back in and messed with it some more.And your right.The catch is,you have to not only create a custom faction,but a custom leader for the faction.i was going as far as the making the  faction and saving it, at which point the game was telling me the "faction was ready to be lead into the world",then because i was expecting and wanting the ai to generate a leader on its own for the faction,if i didnt, i was using back without creating a leader.

The message "faction was ready to be lead into the world" had me thinking that from the factions creation point it existed  for use as far as the system was concerned.I was obviously misunderstanding how the system worked for that,so thanks,your answer made me take another look and figure out where i was going wrong on that feature.

 

 

on Nov 11, 2012

Ships were a feature the original was sold as containingas far as i remember.Ships were usable by players,i clearly remember building and using them.The AI had issue using ships,and there were some bugs and issues with them for player use as well,so at some point in the originals "development" after retail they were dropped.Much as the whole first incarnation was dropped in favor of providing buyers with a new more solid incarnation.

So I still look at this as having bought a game that included ships as a feature.

 

On opponents.Ive created multiple custom factions but never gotten more than a choice of 8 as max.So i went back in and messed with it some more.And your right.The catch is,you have to not only create a custom faction,but a custom leader for the faction.i was going as far as the making the  faction and saving it, at which point the game was telling me the "faction was ready to be lead into the world",then because i was expecting and wanting the ai to generate a leader on its own for the faction,if i didnt, i was using back without creating a leader.

The message "faction was ready to be lead into the world" had me thinking that from the factions creation point it existed  for use as far as the system was concerned.I was obviously misunderstanding how the system worked for that,so thanks,your answer made me take another look and figure out where i was going wrong on that feature.

 

You're sounding...kind of entitled to me.

You still have WOM. If you want to play that, play that. It had Dynasties too. Does that mean FE has to have dynasties? FE isn't a replacement game. 

If you want the map pack, cough up the 5 bucks. 

on Nov 11, 2012

Buying hoping for more/better in the future.

 

on Nov 11, 2012

People keep saying it isnt a replacement game,but it is.When refunds were offered,the choice was hang in there and get incarnation 2 (then called an expansion) for free because,

"companies have a moral obligation to deliver what they say they're going to deliver and frankly, Stardock failed to deliver the game we said we were going to deliver."

or get a refund.I didnt want a refund then, i dont want one now.I also however dont want to be double charged for features.

on Nov 11, 2012

I'm definitely picking this up to support SD and for Anthys as well. I'd like to know if this will increase the max map size for random maps. Also, where can we go to pick up some user-created maps? I'd like to see Middle-earth, the real earth, and I dunno but I'm sure somebody can think of some more cool ones. 

on Nov 11, 2012

People keep saying it isnt a replacement game,but it is.When refunds were offered,the choice was hang in there and get incarnation 2 (then called an expansion) for free because,

"companies have a moral obligation to deliver what they say they're going to deliver and frankly, Stardock failed to deliver the game we said we were going to deliver."

or get a refund.I didnt want a refund then, i dont want one now.I also however dont want to be double charged for features.

I can see where you are coming from. In a perfect world you have a point. But in the real world Stardock have tried quite hard to be reasonable. Ultimately they are a business and they need to make money. If WoM had been released exactly like FE then I would have been fairly happy. Sure some people feel differently but I think we're quibbling over minor points, Stardock have done more than most games companies would have.

Of course that doesn't mean I'm letting them off the hook for releasing FE too early! I'm still waiting for another couple of rounds of substantial bug fixes before I'll regard it as complete.

on Nov 11, 2012

Hmmm, missed the part about how this has a $5 cost....Not sure about that.

 

Theres the well,its only $5 angle,and yes thats almost an inconsequential amount......BUT then theres that i essentially bought this game like 2 years ago under its first incarnation,and it was so broken you told me id get the next incarnation for free if i hung in there (paraphrased)....and now here we are and your asking me for $5 for "official " premade maps.......that youve decided are NOT part of the deal.

IF i give you $5 for the maps,am i not still rewarding you for not providing me with a solid product 2 years ago ?

Or did i miss how this was covered under the original purchase as well as having originally missed the $5 information ?

If i remember correctly,the original preorder for the first incarnation came with an in game item, that is NOT part of the new incarnation of the game.Id gladly consider this map pack as the replacement for that item.

 

You got a free game (and should also be getting the second major expansion free too).  But you aren't entitled to get everything Stardock makes for free for the rest of your life.

on Nov 11, 2012

Honestly, I would buy a $5 DLC just to get a pony.

But Stardock foolishly already included it in the base game!

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