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Published on November 10, 2012 By Frogboy In Elemental Dev Journals

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Very soon we plan to release the very first Map Pack for Elemental: Fallen Enchantress.  In addition to a new hand crafted map for every map size along with new stamps to spice up random map generation, it also includes the full Anthys map. A gigantic map that contains the entire known world of Elemental (at least, as of ~150 AC).


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on Nov 12, 2012

Frogboy
People who bought WOM before the end of October 2010 get the upcoming expansion pack to FE for free as well.

*points* it stands there

Always nice of you Frogboy to come and point it out again, just wanted to thank you for that

Sincerely
~ Kongdej

on Nov 12, 2012

Frogboy
People who bought WOM before the end of October 2010 get the upcoming expansion pack to FE for free as well.

Thanks for confirming that. 

Also, the image in the OP serves to reinforce something I've discovered while playing:  the cloth map is absolutely beautiful!  Nice job!!  I set the zoom level on it pretty low so I can play cloth map most of the time, and only zoom in to the "regular map" when I really have to.  Love it.

 

 

on Nov 12, 2012


it also includes the full Anthys map. A gigantic map that contains the entire known world of Elemental (at least, as of ~150 AC).

 

Will the Anthys map come with all 8 factions historically pre-placed?

Please say all 8 factions start pre-placed.

on Nov 12, 2012

NorsemanViking

Most, if not all, of us agree the great singleplayer features should stay also in multiplayer. An example is of course the unit designer. Games like FE don't atract those who want 10-30 min rts multiplay. We want the singleplayer experience but versus humans, or a combination of humans and AI.
 

 

Yep, this exactly. We know it will be a long game, so we like the same level of FUN that the single player has ... that means all features, unbalanced and all

(at least normally ... eventually ppl will be calling for buffs and nerfs once they start playing a bit more competitively, but almost ANY singleplayer game can be multi-played in this fashion ... for the experience of playing the game you know and love against humans)

on Nov 12, 2012

Stuie_

Quoting Frogboy, reply 91People who bought WOM before the end of October 2010 get the upcoming expansion pack to FE for free as well.



Thanks for confirming that. 

Also, the image in the OP serves to reinforce something I've discovered while playing:  the cloth map is absolutely beautiful!  Nice job!!  I set the zoom level on it pretty low so I can play cloth map most of the time, and only zoom in to the "regular map" when I really have to.  Love it.

 

 

 

I love the new cloth map as well.  I use it most of the time, even though my PC handles the regular game graphics beautifully.  I just find it a little easier to see everything.

on Nov 12, 2012

About the OP map image:  Is that the current size of the large maps (tile width and height) when using the random map generator?

on Nov 12, 2012

Tasunke

Quoting NorsemanViking, reply 85
Most, if not all, of us agree the great singleplayer features should stay also in multiplayer. An example is of course the unit designer. Games like FE don't atract those who want 10-30 min rts multiplay. We want the singleplayer experience but versus humans, or a combination of humans and AI.
 

 

Yep, this exactly. We know it will be a long game, so we like the same level of FUN that the single player has ... that means all features, unbalanced and all

(at least normally ... eventually ppl will be calling for buffs and nerfs once they start playing a bit more competitively, but almost ANY singleplayer game can be multi-played in this fashion ... for the experience of playing the game you know and love against humans)

 

and then somebody will make a mod for competitive MP

on Nov 12, 2012

charon2112
About the OP map image:  Is that the current size of the large maps (tile width and height) when using the random map generator?

Nope. It's much bigger.

 

 

on Nov 12, 2012

How many city spots will the huge Anthys map have? How many of those will be available from the start and how many will be obscured by the wildlands?

on Nov 12, 2012

crimsongekko

and then somebody will make a mod for competitive MP

quite likely

 

 

on Nov 12, 2012

charon2112

How would that work though?  Who can dedicate the hours/days/weeks that's required for a good long 4x game to a session of MP?  And you're counting on all of the other human players playing in character appropriate to their faction and using diplomacy?  I don't see it ever working.

 

I do. I have a friend whom I meet in quite regular fashion twice a week (our wives are having evening out for whatever type of physical torture they indulge themselves to). We meet and play CivV usually. I'd love him to buy FE so we could play MP just like I hoped we would with WoM and I couldn't force myself to advice him buying it. 

We spend at a meeting around 4 hours, we save and reload the game on next meeting. We can finish a typical small map to the end within a month (if it last that long, games are usually won in two meetings since backstab attacks are most satisfactionary event). 

This is the style a of MP gameplay I look for. This can be achieved by hotseat if needed, though LAN connection would work better (I'd rather not having Stardock servers option only, as my connection can be firewalled, but I'll work around this either)

Most of the codebase required for MP is already in place. It is there since WoM (just like dynasties). It was ported from some other game released just before WoM. What's needed is enabling it and adaptation to FE, which I believe can be difficult but an order of magnitude or two easier than writing from scratch. Mind you also that MP was a huge selling point of WoM for me, so missing this feature in replacement game is irritating (for lack of other word).

I am (as many others from that vocal minority) willing to pay for that effort. I've given up hope it will be in game or expansion (Fb said so multiple times). I still hold onto idea of DLC enabling it.  I'll myself bring another $50 for the game (friend copy), $10 for the MP DLC (on both copies) and $5 for the map DLC which I don't need or want but I'll buy if it will make MP DLC planned for delivery in 2014.

on Nov 12, 2012

charon2112


MP could be fun for a few.  But it should most definitely not ever detract from the SP experience.  Frogboy said it best here:
https://forums.galciv2.com/98074

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Great link.  Thanks!

I don't have an issue with MP features, but I hate to see good SP features lost as a result, and that's always the trade-off.  I'd like to see FE meet expand on its SP potential, personally.  There are plenty of MP games out there already.

 

on Nov 12, 2012

at first i was not going to buy the expansion map pack, but when you said there were stamps in it as well i will def pick it up for 5 bucks.  I care about the stamps only.  I will buy anything you guys make that can be incorporated into the random generation of the maps.  You guys put together an awesome high quality set of random stamps, items, spells, whatever and i will buy it every time. The more games i play and see new stuff each time the more i will play this excellent game.

on Nov 12, 2012

Frogboy

As for MP, we've had a lot of internal discussions on this. Nothing has been decided. It won't be in the expansion though. IF we have it, it'll be in a future update. Just comes down to available development resources and deciding whether tactical battles would have to be supported to deliver the experience we would require.

 

Even if that means the idea of MP gets scrapped the tactical battles are a must in multiplay. There is just too much kiting still possible, too much is depending on tactical movement and protecting wounded units, that autoresolve won't be ever able to mimick even in current state, that probably will be highly expanded as we move on. Plus it's a huge feature that shouldn't be scrapped easily.

That said I think that sequential turns with multiplay tacticals and a possibility to look at the world while waiting is a way to start this real easy in an oldschool fashion. Simultaneus turns that are featured by Civ have their own set of issues and worth separate thread for discussion over it.

on Nov 12, 2012

Frogboy
People who bought WOM before the end of October 2010 get the upcoming expansion pack to FE for free as well.


 

 

I'm confused.

When E:wom was deemed a failure, you said early adopters would be getting two expansions for free. Fallen enchantress and the next expansion.

Are you saying we get the expansion to FE as well, or are you saying that the expansion to FE is the second game we are getting? I'm asking because there's a difference between getting FE (a two year game in development) and getting an expansion (6 months in development at release?).

Also, I don't suppose you have a name you'd like to throw around for the expansion? So we can all start making our wishlists for it.

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