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Published on October 7, 2008 By Frogboy In Politics

I figured that Obama narrowly won the first debate.  The VP debate was largely a draw. But the second Presidential debate I have to say McCain won decisively.  Still not going to vote for him, but McCain answered questions, was specific, and seemed to know what he was doing.  Obama came across as someone who practiced debating but seemed like an empty suit.


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on Oct 07, 2008

I think both candidates performed better than last time (especially McCain).  Again, I find myself agreeing more with McCain's domestic issues and Obama's foreign policy, but I personally feel Obama did somewhat better, but that's just my take.  I'm still undecided, and have to go vote absentee this week, so I need to make up my mind soon (of course, I could vote for a third party as well).

on Oct 07, 2008

I didn't get to see that much of it...so I don't really have an opinion.  I only caught the last half hour and the only thing that stood out was Obama avoiding that last question and went off on some tangent about growing up and American opportunity and blah, blah, blah.

~Zoo

on Oct 07, 2008

McCain answered questions

I disagree.  Neither of them answered a single question.  It was all deflection and piles of stinky bullshit from both losers.

on Oct 08, 2008

It seemed to be, largely, a replay of the first debate. I don't agree with him but Obama's responses to the economic portions of the debate seemed more thorough than McCain's did and, if nothing else, Obama's attitude when answering showed that the economic woes of the US are a major impetus for his campaign.

On the other end, McCain took foreign policy and showed that with experience comes a great deal of comfort and logic when handling foreign affairs. Obama dodged questions and used McCain's answers as a platform into his response (while adding nothing to them) and focused largely on Pakistan just like in the first debate. Where Obama clearly feels very strongly and deeply and, more importantly, comfortable discussing the country's economy he lacks the deep knowledge of foreign relations and efficient, responsible use of the US's military force that McCain brings to the table.

Still can't say I like or agree with either of them enough to vote for one or the other.

on Oct 08, 2008

Obama's responses to the economic portions of the debate seemed more thorough than McCain's did

No wonder. Obama arguably knows a lot more about the current crisis.

 

on Oct 08, 2008

The general (read: Media) consensus, is that McCain won, but not by a knockout.

I doubt anyone got out of this any more than they wanted to, and it appears apparent by the comments here.  NO major gaffs, and if you hated the guy before, you thought they stunk last night.

on Oct 08, 2008

It was a really boring debate, the townhall format sucks for this type of thing.  I agree with Frogboy's assessment, but McCain should have done more to associate Obama with the economic problems today.

Obama, as usual, blamed Bush through most of the debate.  Oh, and he decided health insurance is a "right".

on Oct 08, 2008

but McCain should have done more to associate Obama with the economic problems today.

I think he was too focused on saying how much of an inexperienced child Obama is.  I'm not sure if he was doing this the whole time, but at the end I was hearing a lot of it.

Do you know how irritating it is to be told you don't know anything?  I'm surprised Obama didn't slap him at least once.

~Zoo

on Oct 08, 2008

I saw most of the debate while dealing with a barking dog and a headache due to stress of the day. What I saw was 2 very strange people wanting to run my country. One who looks like he is already a stiff and is being moved around like in the movie "A weekend at Barney's" who seems to wanna do the right thing but failed to give details as to how he's gonna do it. Still I was convinced he's got the right idea. Then we had a guy who rather than wanting to become President because he's the right guy for the job, seemed more like trying to convince us he should be the President because McCain was the wrong guy for the job.

I didn't get to see that much of it...so I don't really have an opinion. I only caught the last half hour and the only thing that stood out was Obama avoiding that last question and went off on some tangent about growing up and American opportunity and blah, blah, blah.

Wow Zoo, I am at a loss for words here. I am not sure what to respond.

It seemed to be, largely, a replay of the first debate. I don't agree with him but Obama's responses to the economic portions of the debate seemed more thorough than McCain's did and, if nothing else, Obama's attitude when answering showed that the economic woes of the US are a major impetus for his campaign.

I agree they did seem more thorough, but the trick is to figure out if his ideas are the right ones. Obama can give me 400 pages worth of details and I still would not agree with him because I don't agree with his concept at all. He claims we can not do more spending while cutting taxes yet this is exactly what he is proposing in a way. I just don't think that the burden of all the bad spending in this country (and the good) should be forced upon a single class in this country. I think everyone, as an American who benefits from all the great things this nation has to offer, should be a part of what makes this country work. I think everyone, regardless of your income, should pay taxes, period. I like getting my refund check every year, it's a time I get a chance to buy things I can't normally buy during the ear, but if I don't get it all back I am fine with that as well because I know (or believe) my money is going towards making my country a better place for me and my children. I don't understand how so many people don't feel this way and want more money for themselves not just from their own earnings but from that of others.

on Oct 08, 2008

One who looks like he is already a stiff and is being moved around like in the movie "A weekend at Barney's"

Charles, what is wrong with you?

You are making fun of someone who isn't limber because he was tortured for over five years.  365 days a year, for FIVE years...his bones were broken and not set.

I've got an idea, how about you run out and break your own legs, your arms, and just sit around and let them heal and when they seem to be getting a little better find someone to give them a good twist or kick.  Do that for about five years and then we'll make fun of you for being a stiff.

That really pisses me off.  Especially when you say this in the same breath...

2 very strange people wanting to run my country.

YOUR country?  Call me old fashioned but in MY country most people have more sense and HUMILITY than to make snide remarks about someone's war wounds. 

 

on Oct 08, 2008

One who looks like he is already a stiff and is being moved around like in the movie "A weekend at Barney's"

I agree with Tova, Charles.  This was one very cruel and insensitive thing to say.  If anyone deserves to be President just for for serving our country alone McCain does.  Obama might look pretty, young and limber and all but what the heck has he done for us? 

I took notes last night.  I totally disagree with SC and do agree with Island Dog on this one.  I found McCain DID answer the questions and Obama DID not.  It's very easy to say he didn't  answer the questions SC but where's your proof? 

They were asked a question about what they would do if Israel was threatened.  Would they immediately support Israel or wait for UN Security Council approval?

McCain answered immediately "not wait for approval."  He said an attack on Israel would be a threat to the stability to the Middle East. 

Obama on the other hand never answered the question.  He went on and on about not allowing Iran to become nuclear.  On and on he went NEVER answering the question.

The last question was to tell what you don't know and how you will learn it?  I thought it was a dumb question but Obama NEVER answered the question.  He went on about challenges the White House would bring. 

McCain came right out and answered it saying "I don't know what's going to happen here and abroad."  He said he didn't know what the unexpected would be.  

Another question was asked if they thought Russia was an evil empire.  Barack gave this long convoluted answer and never really answered the question.  Very slippery. 

McCain played it smart AND he answered the question.  He said "Maybe"  He said "if I say yes it would be reigniting the cold war and if I say no it would be to ignore them."

Overall I think McCain had the much better answers but I was very disappointed he didn't step up to the plate more for the American people and be more forthright in saying how we got ourselves into this fianancial mess.  I think he needed to come right out and say instead of "Obama and his cronies" come right out and name names and their connection to Obama.  By not doing so, many are erronously still thinking this is a Bush problem when in fact it's not. 

On the other hand I think Obama is very slippery.  All he had to do last night was to look good, talk a good talk and play it safe.  The burden was on McCain.  When it came down to it IMO Obama did a better job in his job than McCain did. 

One thing is for sure, Obama is very much a Socialist and those answers he did give were true to his beliefs.  I still am trying to figure out who is going to pay for all this health care and education he's promising while he promises the moon to the middle class. 

 

on Oct 08, 2008

I'm sorry for being honest but that is what I saw. Yes, I know of his war injuries but I couldn't help but seeing how he moves around so stiff. My point was towards his age as oppose to his war wounds. It is a scary thought to me to spend so much time deciding to vote for someone who could kick the bucket right after he gets elected leaving us with someone we didn't really look to as the President (be it Palin or anyone else). While his injuries are part of his problem, his age seems more of a factor to me. But I will apologize for seeming as if I was making fun of his service and the end results of that. It was not my intention, I admire him for what he did.

on Oct 08, 2008

(of course, I could vote for a third party as well).

 

Yes, yes you could.  Nader '08!!!

 

www.votenader.org

on Oct 08, 2008

It was "Weekend at Bernie's" -

I'm voting for the 'dead guy' but only because his positions & policies are more closely aligned with my personal beliefs than are Obama's.  I'm not much looking forward to the next 4 years with either as President.

on Oct 08, 2008

 

Wow Zoo, I am at a loss for words here. I am not sure what to respond

I in no way have my head shoved up a particular party's ass.

Wish I could've seen the first hour, but I was watching a new episode of Dirty Jobs, a show I believe to be much more entertaining than a debate. 

It's very easy to say he didn't answer the questions SC but where's your proof?

I don't think you can prove a negative...

You should rephrase that to say: "Prove he went off topic" or something similar.

~Zoo

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