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My old friend Steven Den Beste wrote this awhile back:

Let's talk about the Third Amendment for a moment. Remember that one? Probably not; in this day and age it's something of a Constitutional joke. "No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law."

Remember now? The Bill of Rights which passed Congress had twelve clauses, and ten of them were almost immediately ratified by the states. Amendment Three was one of those. Why did they bother?

It's because memory of the Revolution was still current. It was only a few years after the Revolution succeeded, remember, and memory of British tyranny was still fresh. The British had done this, and the citizens of the nascent United States wanted to make sure their new government didn't.

The reason the colonies revolted was because the King of England was viewed as having become a tyrant. Having fought a bloody war to become free of his tyranny, the founders wanted to make sure the new government they created did not in turn become tyranny. Trading one tyrant for another wasn't what they had in mind. So the Constitution contains layers of mechanisms to try to prevent tyranny. And the last and best of these is the Second Amendment.

Remember how the shooting revolution began? The Battles of Lexington and Concord. Rebels in the Boston area had been stockpiling weapons, powder, and ammunition near Concord MA, and the British got wind of it and sent an armed column out from Boston to seize the stockpile. Superb espionage by rebel forces detected this, and word spread through the countryside for the militia (remember that word; it's important) which formed up and fought against the British force. The main battle was fought at Lexington MA, which repelled the British and caused them to retreat again back to Boston.

The "militia" was all able bodied men in the area, who were to show up with their own rifles (or muskets). Weapons of that era varied quite a lot, and of course they were muzzle-loaded using black powder. It took a lot of training to use such a weapon effectively (especially rifles, which were much more difficult to load than muskets) and that's why it was desireable that the men have their own weapons. It was assumed they already knew how to use them.

The earliest battles of the revolution were fought by such militia formations. Another was the Battle of Bunker Hill. It was only later that the Revolutionary Army was formed, and began training at Valley Forge.

Having just won their revolution, in which privately owned firearms played such a critical role, and mindful of the potential for their new government to potentially become tyrannical, the purpose of the Second Amendment was to make sure that the people of the United States would have the means to rise in revolt once again, should it become necessary.

That's what it's really about. It's not about hunting weapons; it's not about the "National Guard" (which isn't a militia). It's about everyday law-abiding citizens having the ability to resist a tyrannical government. And with that deterrent in place, we've managed 230 years without our government descending into tyranny (though it's come close).

 

 One of the most common problems when discussing the US constitution is that people will apply modern definitions to 18th century words.  For example, the word "regulated" today implies government run.  Such a concept would have been absurd in the 18th century. Well regulated meant effective.  Similarly, the word "welfare", as in, "promote the general welfare", was not about giving money to the impoverished but supporting the general stability of the states (not to mention it's in the preamble and has no legal meaning anyway). And of course, Militia today is often considered thought of as being government related whereas it traditionally meant "a group of armed men".
 
update: snipped out the overtly political paragraphs.

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on Nov 25, 2013

Violent crime rates in the UK(actual comparisons in specific types of crimes, not the tard comparison between what each country classifies as violent crimes) are around twice as high as they are in the US.  So the answer is twice as often as getting shot.

 

We could kill all the fucking lawyers and get rid of the nanny state though, that would easily knock it down to around a tenth what it is once things rounded out.  Between the welfare state from the left and the war on drugs from the right, the inner cities are fucked.  On top of that the lawyers make sure it's as hard as it can possibly be to actually punish criminals by making sure nothing effective gets done from both sides of the court room.

 

Our low homicide rate is amazing considering how hosed the country is.

on Nov 25, 2013

psychoak
Our low homicide rate is amazing considering how hosed the country is.

'Low'?  I thought you were an American.....

US Homicide rate...4.7 per 100,000 vs GB Homicide rate of 1.2 per 100,000

[and Oz is 1.0 per 100,000 ...you know...the country that did something about guns].

Yes, 'low' is relative....

on Nov 25, 2013

....BTW...probably not a 'tard comparison'....as all 3 countries above will define 'homicide' just the same....good old OED...

on Nov 25, 2013

I am.  Our major cities are cesspools of corruption and stupidity.  The homicide rate is really low considering the sheer number of armed gang members in the country and our complete lack of enforcement on minor beefs.  Just look at what it is in Mexico, the armed gangs run much of the country.

 

Yes, it is a tard comparison.  Homicide is just one violent crime.  In the US, violent crime statistics are a more specific set of what most European countries have labeled as violent crime statistics.  If a woman gets raped in the US, it goes into one of two categories, the one that cows under just a threat doesn't get counted as a violent crime.  Same deal on stuff like muggings, assault is a violent crime, but it's not assault if you just pull a knife on someone and steal their wallet, you have to actually stab them with it or injure them in some other way.  In the UK, these distinctions aren't made.  All rapes are violent crimes, etcetera.

 

The lazy way of comparing violent crime rates was to just use the statistics, and it got massively inflated numbers, leading people to believe the UK was 4-5 times as high, when it's only about twice as high in reality.

 

We have a very high homicide rate, because all the gang bangers are shooting each other up so often.  We have a very low violent crime rate, because there are too many places where it's really dangerous to go around beating people up for their wallets.

on Nov 25, 2013

Frogboy

Who are these "people" who think that the only thing keeping the government from rolling over us is the 2nd amendment. I smell a strawman.

Hence my comment.

It is an argument utilized by some, however.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Organizations+with+the+view+that+the+2nd+Amendment+keeps+the+Government+in+check

 

on Nov 25, 2013

Shame I missed the overly political paragraphs.  But the remainder is excellent!  Both Den Beste and your comments.  And exactly right.

on Nov 25, 2013

Meanwhile....much of the rest of the world gets by quite satisfactorily WITHOUT a mis-interpreted agendafied 'Constitution' and an armed populace scared of their own government.

Most of the rest of the world did not fight for their freedom from Tyranny.  Makes a big difference.

 

How's that free speech of yours?  Can you talk about the carbon tax yet?

on Nov 25, 2013

Native Americans....Incans....Aztecs.....

Arming the US populace clearly didn't help everyone equally....

Probably because "those Native Americans....Incans...Aztecs" never fell under the US Constitution.  One is from South America (Peru actually), and the other Mexico (which has never been under the US jurisdiction).

Now if you are talking Mattaponi, Souix, Apache or Navahoe....

on Nov 25, 2013

Dr Guy



How's that free speech of yours?  Can you talk about the carbon tax yet?

I'm not sure about carbon tax but I'm pretty sure they still can't play Saints Row 4 because the "expert" masters of society decided cartoon anal probe weapons were a threat. I guess once they solved guns that was next on the existential threats to society list.

on Nov 25, 2013

Dr Guy

Quoting Jafo, reply 9Meanwhile....much of the rest of the world gets by quite satisfactorily WITHOUT a mis-interpreted agendafied 'Constitution' and an armed populace scared of their own government.

Most of the rest of the world did not fight for their freedom from Tyranny.  Makes a big difference.

Really? In what way did the American Revolution make a big difference. Or rather, "a big difference" in what way? It sounds like you are trying to say a constitution born of revolution is superior to a democratic constitution that arose from non-violent means. Is that what you are saying?

on Nov 25, 2013

Ekko_Tek

Really? In what way did the American Revolution make a big difference. Or rather, "a big difference" in what way? It sounds like you are trying to say a constitution born of revolution is superior to a democratic constitution that arose from non-violent means. Is that what you are saying?

If I had to guess, and I'm sure that DrGuy will correct me if he disagrees, he means that societies that fought and died for their rights do more to ingrain protection of those rights into the documents that form the basis for government.  There was active discussion in the colonies during and after the revolution about what shape government should take to protect an individual's rights against intrusion by the state.  This wasn't some theoretical non-violent discussion.  They were in the middle of, or had just concluded, fighting a war over that very fact.  

Because of this the US constitution took extra measures to protect the rights of individuals.  In fact one of the chief arguments against the US Bill of Rights was that it could be interpreted as a list of the only places that individuals were protected from the state when in fact they meant is as places deserving of special protection.  They never enshrined something like protection from being compelled by the federal government to purchase private products because, quite frankly, the idea was so ludicrous that they never would have considered it realistic.  

Unfortunately we've slowly morphed the Bill of Rights into a list of our only protections rather than a list of the most sacred protections. 

on Nov 25, 2013

Thanks, guys...the last several comments raised a smile....

I have a feeling many of you should hop on a plane to Oz and see what you're missing out on.   No, we don't have Roos as pets....and Drop Bears may or may not be real.....you don't need magnetic boots to cling to the underside of the planet....

on Nov 25, 2013

Kantok
Because of this the US constitution took extra measures to protect the rights of individuals.

I'd think all democratic constitutions take measures to protect the rights of individuals. The US is, I think, unique in the world in specifically mentioning/protecting the right to bear arms, but other than that there's nothing else vastly different than other democratic constitutions that I'm aware of. Each country will of course have some specific protections unique to its culture and history so you'll see some in other countries' constitutions that don't exist in the US' and vice-versa.

on Nov 25, 2013


Thanks, guys...the last several comments raised a smile....

I have a feeling many of you should hop on a plane to Oz and see what you're missing out on.   No, we don't have Roos as pets....and Drop Bears may or may not be real.....you don't need magnetic boots to cling to the underside of the planet....

Spent over a month there and loved it.  Would like to take my wife at some point.  

Can't move there though, because I like my video games unedited and prefer to decide for myself what games I or my kids should be playing.

on Nov 25, 2013

Kantok
Can't move there though, because I like my video games unedited and prefer to decide for myself what games I or my kids should be playing.

That'll change eventually....would you believe it was one person in one state that was the barrier to the R certificate for games....

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