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My old friend Steven Den Beste wrote this awhile back:

Let's talk about the Third Amendment for a moment. Remember that one? Probably not; in this day and age it's something of a Constitutional joke. "No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law."

Remember now? The Bill of Rights which passed Congress had twelve clauses, and ten of them were almost immediately ratified by the states. Amendment Three was one of those. Why did they bother?

It's because memory of the Revolution was still current. It was only a few years after the Revolution succeeded, remember, and memory of British tyranny was still fresh. The British had done this, and the citizens of the nascent United States wanted to make sure their new government didn't.

The reason the colonies revolted was because the King of England was viewed as having become a tyrant. Having fought a bloody war to become free of his tyranny, the founders wanted to make sure the new government they created did not in turn become tyranny. Trading one tyrant for another wasn't what they had in mind. So the Constitution contains layers of mechanisms to try to prevent tyranny. And the last and best of these is the Second Amendment.

Remember how the shooting revolution began? The Battles of Lexington and Concord. Rebels in the Boston area had been stockpiling weapons, powder, and ammunition near Concord MA, and the British got wind of it and sent an armed column out from Boston to seize the stockpile. Superb espionage by rebel forces detected this, and word spread through the countryside for the militia (remember that word; it's important) which formed up and fought against the British force. The main battle was fought at Lexington MA, which repelled the British and caused them to retreat again back to Boston.

The "militia" was all able bodied men in the area, who were to show up with their own rifles (or muskets). Weapons of that era varied quite a lot, and of course they were muzzle-loaded using black powder. It took a lot of training to use such a weapon effectively (especially rifles, which were much more difficult to load than muskets) and that's why it was desireable that the men have their own weapons. It was assumed they already knew how to use them.

The earliest battles of the revolution were fought by such militia formations. Another was the Battle of Bunker Hill. It was only later that the Revolutionary Army was formed, and began training at Valley Forge.

Having just won their revolution, in which privately owned firearms played such a critical role, and mindful of the potential for their new government to potentially become tyrannical, the purpose of the Second Amendment was to make sure that the people of the United States would have the means to rise in revolt once again, should it become necessary.

That's what it's really about. It's not about hunting weapons; it's not about the "National Guard" (which isn't a militia). It's about everyday law-abiding citizens having the ability to resist a tyrannical government. And with that deterrent in place, we've managed 230 years without our government descending into tyranny (though it's come close).

 

 One of the most common problems when discussing the US constitution is that people will apply modern definitions to 18th century words.  For example, the word "regulated" today implies government run.  Such a concept would have been absurd in the 18th century. Well regulated meant effective.  Similarly, the word "welfare", as in, "promote the general welfare", was not about giving money to the impoverished but supporting the general stability of the states (not to mention it's in the preamble and has no legal meaning anyway). And of course, Militia today is often considered thought of as being government related whereas it traditionally meant "a group of armed men".
 
update: snipped out the overtly political paragraphs.

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on Nov 04, 2013

Frogboy
governments, even supposedly civilized governments should not be trusted by an unarmed citizenry.

I'd just mention that no government should be trusted at all, whether citizens are armed or not. In fact, that is a false choice. Anyone willing to believe that 'Red Dawn' nonsense is welcome to it. No one with an AR15 is going to stand up to armored divisions.The NSA alone has an Army, Air Force and Navy.

People should (and some do) keep their eyes trained on the government, and every once in a while an Edward Snowden and Bradley Manning comes along to expose more dirty undies. The armed or unarmed citizenry part? Very romantic, but I think in this electronic age with the NSA, etc., there could never be "Committees of Correspondence", nor could there be an organized armed overthrow. How could anything be organized on a national scale without the NSA knowing?

"The only thing preventing the government from seizing all powers and your guns is the house by house fight/resistance.": That assumes that the government wants to seize all power, and that it wants to seize all weapons as well as the premise that it doesn't care how many would be killed, etc. doing it. For some reason, those are accepted as axiomatic by some. Politicians say, "I'll get all the guns." Has that come anywhere near happening? No. No government wants to kill taxpayers that pay their salary and pork.

The government in fact doesn't do much at all. It's almost completely paralyzed, with prizes going to those who figure how to disable it further.

As for the Constitution? It's managed up until now, and will onward. It's rather sad that people think the 2nd Amendment is the only thing between us and a police state.

The 'Patriot' Act, and the NSA, etc. ensure that the current power structure will endure, no matter how wide the divide between the rich and poor, citizen/alien, insured/uninsured gets. All that was done with an intact Second Amendment.

on Nov 04, 2013

DrJBHL
It's rather sad that people think the 2nd Amendment is the only thing between us and a police state.
Indeed, Doc. There are far more important rights being trampled upon in most parts of the world.. Jethro Tull said it so well.......I can make you feel but i can't make you think.

Thick as a brick.

on Nov 04, 2013

Wizard1956
in most parts of the world
and maybe we should address just why are people starving.... anywhere? Why do people not have clean air and water.....anywhere. Why does America support such lost causes? because they/we can

on Nov 04, 2013

...it has historically NOT been us that needed the arming...but instead it was the aboriginal/original inhabitants of the continents we 'invaded' that needed the 'protection' we so righteously afforded/bestowed upon ourselves to THEIR detriment.
ask any American Indian

on Nov 04, 2013

I think it's possible that the government goes bad -  a reason people use to justify arming the undisciplined mass of citizens.  However, it's much more common that everyday folks go bad.  

Right now the American political climate is hate filled and there is a side actively working to sabotage the government itself - it's hardly in an effective state.   Yet armed citizenry provides no solutions to partisan infighting and ineffective leaders.  

The individual gun owner can make irrational decisions, get mental illness, get a divorce/get a terminal disease/get a communicable disease and just decide "you know what, that is the straw that broke the camel's back" and go on a shooting spree.  People that pass background checks can experience change in their lives that make them unstable.  They can "Break Bad" if you will.  I'd point out Christopher Dorner as a prime case of an American hero who did everything right defending the nation in the military, in the police etc, until something happened and he just lost his marbles and went crazy.   

on Nov 05, 2013

Who are these "people" who think that the only thing keeping the government from rolling over us is the 2nd amendment. I smell a strawman.

on Nov 05, 2013

Frogboy
Who are these "people" who think that the only thing keeping the government from rolling over us is the 2nd amendment. I smell a strawman.

Me too.

I'd like to think the US Govt is 'above' rolling over its citizenry ....and doubly that no amount of personal gun-keeping is empowering enough to intimidate the world's most powerful/significant Govt.

All sounds like 'bold talk from a one-eyed fat man'....

on Nov 05, 2013

Frogboy

Who are these "people" who think that the only thing keeping the government from rolling over us is the 2nd amendment. I smell a strawman.
 It is an opinion, so not everyone feels that way of course, that the point of the 2nd amendment is to prevent tyranny or an oppressive government.  You yourself mentioned hit the idea lol on the last page.  This surely is a point that can be moved past, no?

Frogboy
...even supposedly civilized governments should not be trusted by an unarmed citizenry.

 

on Nov 05, 2013

smeagolheart

 You yourself mentioned hit the idea lol on the last page.  This surely is a point that can be moved past, no?
 

The point isn't that it is the ONLY thing stopping tyranny, but that it is the last line of defense.  Certainly, there are other forms of stopping tyranny.  The best is probably a well informed and active citizenry.  Unfortunately we don't have that in the US.  We have Facebook-itis.  

Brad is definitely right.  There is certainly a strawman being built here.  

For example:

DrJBHL

It's rather sad that people think the 2nd Amendment is the only thing between us and a police state.

The 'Patriot' Act, and the NSA, etc. ensure that the current power structure will endure, no matter how wide the divide between the rich and poor, citizen/alien, insured/uninsured gets. All that was done with an intact Second Amendment.

Wizard1956


There are far more important rights being trampled upon in most parts of the world.. 
Thick as a brick.

both presume that because you support gun rights you don't also support other measures against government tyranny, which is flat nonsense.  It sets up a classic strawman.  "You care about gun rights, therefore you don't care about these other things which are clearly more important."  It's as if it has to be a binary cause and my support of gun rights means I must not fully understand the ins and outs of the Patriot Act or PRISM or voter fraud or crony capitalism or any of the many contributors to the soft tyranny (or creeping instances of it rather) of the US ruling establishment.  

By supporting one I in no way prohibit myself from supporting (or understanding) others.  Claims otherwise, like these, are just silly.  

In fact I'd argue that the inability to realize that people can support gun rights while also being against (or fighting against) other forms of oppression is what is actually sad.  And thick as a brick. 

on Nov 21, 2013

Guns don't deserve rights, and certainly this experiment that more guns in the hands of less responsible people has been a disastrous failure.  I'm tired of being shot at because I'm not heterosexual .... granted its only happened once thus far, but once was too many times ... I have also had a lot of friends and family friends who had some close call "whoopses," including a classmate in high school playing with his older brother's gun and accidentally shot his friend in the hip.  Not one person I personally know has ever fended off an armed intruder with a gun ... and statistics seem to show this is the norm:  a gun is more likely to be wrongfully discharged in an 'accident' or intentional mis-use than it is to fend off an intruder.

Trying to dodge and re-define "well-regulated" by claiming it actually meant something else in the past is just that -- a dodge, a falsehood.  The word "regulate" in English has meant "to govern by restriction" since its first uses in the 1620s.  Source:  http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=regulate&allowed_in_frame=0

Armed mobs are no less tyrannical than autocratic governments, and anyone who believes allowing mobs of people to arm themselves is somehow improving liberty has not thought this through.

on Nov 21, 2013

Chibiabos
Armed mobs are no less tyrannical than autocratic governments, and anyone who believes allowing mobs of people to arm themselves is somehow improving liberty has not thought this through.

"Armed mobs" are the reason you have liberty here to begin with.

 

on Nov 21, 2013



Quoting Frogboy, reply 51Who are these "people" who think that the only thing keeping the government from rolling over us is the 2nd amendment. I smell a strawman.

Me too.

I'd like to think the US Govt is 'above' rolling over its citizenry ....and doubly that no amount of personal gun-keeping is empowering enough to intimidate the world's most powerful/significant Govt.

All sounds like 'bold talk from a one-eyed fat man'....

 

No government is above rolling over their citizenry's rights.  I certaintly don't trust this government not to do it, though I suspect they wouldn't use brute force- it's too obvious.

 

on Nov 21, 2013

Chibiabos

Guns don't deserve rights, and certainly this experiment that more guns in the hands of less responsible people has been a disastrous failure.

My what a big strawman you have there.  

on Nov 21, 2013

Trying to dodge and re-define "well-regulated" by claiming it actually meant something else in the past is just that -- a dodge, a falsehood.  The word "regulate" in English has meant "to govern by restriction" since its first uses in the 1620s.  Source:  http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=regulate&allowed_in_frame=0

 

You fail at English.

 

To govern by restriction has fuck all to do with making laws.  A dam governs the flow of water by restriction.  Weights and springs govern the keeping of time by restriction.  A governor is not just a guy in office.

 

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

 

It's simple logic, militias are people keeping and bearing arms.  People have even tried to argue this as being reason to restrict people from having guns because "the national guard" and joe schmoe are two different things.  If militias shall not be infringed upon, well regulated cannot mean what you've convinced yourself it does.

 

A sentence gives a reasoned restriction on government, and asshats around the world gravitate to the one meaning a word can possibly have that comes in direct conflict with the rest of the sentence.  Proof people are morons.

 

You are also hilariously wrong on what you think crime statistics show.  You have over an 80% chance of being the victim of a violent crime before you die.  Congratulations on being in the 4 out of 5, might I suggest not hitting on rednecks?  I find it highly unlikely that you were shot at by a law abiding citizen, with exception to being shot at of course.  Barring the redneck joke(you didn't, did you?), the odds are far better that you were shot at by some gang banger asshole that bought his gun from the same guy he gets his coke from.

 

No one actually keeps statistics on defensive gun use, but the surveys suggest the number is a million plus every year.  There aren't even 20,000 homicides per year, and that's homicide, not murder with a firearm.  Even if you look for the lowest estimates, defensive gun use beats homicide rates 4-1.  Accidental shootings are a rounding error, we should outlaw bath tubs if we're going to start making decisions based on freak accidents and people not properly raising their children.

 

Those low estimates are assuming that everyone who draws on some punk that runs away bothers to report a crime to the police knowing they wont even bother to show up.  Unless you actually shoot someone, they don't give a fuck.  Most people aren't like me, they're squeamish about removing scum from the gene pool.  Shooting is their last resort, instead of the primary response to a threat.  As such it's extremely rare because few criminals are stupid enough to continue an assault when it becomes a choice between murder and death.

 

Move to the UK, they've all but eliminated hand gun ownership.  You can enjoy getting knifed or clubbed instead of shot.  Twice as often.

on Nov 24, 2013

psychoak
You can enjoy getting knifed or clubbed instead of shot. Twice as often.

Twice as often as what? ...

...and "aren't even 20,000 homicides..." is clearly an admirable score card ....

I would have thought zero would be the admirable number....you know....something to aspire to....

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