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Published on September 14, 2001 By Frogboy In WinCustomize News
Some people, mostly outside the United States believe that the US response is going to be a single or brief set of air strikes against some designated enemy. That is not the case.

There won't just be a strike. The United States is mobilizing for war as we speak. The government just activated the reserves today. There won't be a single strike, it is going to be a prolonged campaign that will likely take years.

Colin Powell yesterday basically set up the way it's going to work. Countries with terrorist training camps in them will be approached to eliminate the problem themselves. If they do not, the US will 1) Take care of the problem for them and 2) Move to replace the government with one more civilized.

I don't think people outside the US have grasped that the United States is not viewing this as a law enforcement problem, it is viewing this as a war. We're not talking some air strikes, we're talking sending in ground troops to either blockade or invade nation states that harbor terrorists.

And the nations that may have US and international invervention (remember, this isn't the US versus the world, this is the world versus a handful of rogue nations who aid and harbor terrorists) would be conquered and have their governments replaced much as what we done with Japan and Germany.

One foreign policy expert yesterday pointed out that the only way to win for the long term is to change the cultures of this countries. To de-fanatacize them. When the US occupied Japan and Germany, it turned them into peaceful countries right down to the culture.

If they had had the Internet in 1941, I doubt anyone here would guess that years later, Japan would have Japan Disney and Mickey Mouse being their favorite cartoon character. Japan Disney does more business than Disney World in Florida. Cocacola is their favorite soft drink. American pop stars are their favorite musicians.

This is what is being discussed. The only way to win this in the long haul is for us to turn these enemies of the United States into us. Us being Western Europeans/Americans.

And before you think such plans absurd or extreme, I merely point to history where it is exactly how the Allies handled World War II. We turned the Japanese and Germans into us. And the people are happier for it.

And again, before someone points out that one cannot turn these fanatics into us. Read up on Nazism. You can't get much more fanatical than the Hitler youth was.

These countries in the Middle east will have to either abolish terrorism on their own or they will face the international community's determination to forever eliminate not just the terrorists but the culture that breeds terrorism. Don't think it can't be done, it's been done before when it was far more daunting to do so.
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on Sep 15, 2001
does anybody have a link to a newsarticle that says china has joined us? that would be a load off my mind.
on Sep 15, 2001
The CIA did not teach people how to hijack and fly civilian airplanes into office buildings, Torm.
on Sep 15, 2001
Hey You - As far as I know China has not agreed to anything, and only a few weeks ago officially recognized the Taliban as a legitimate government. They have a strong alliance with both Afganistan and Pakistan. The news I saw about China said that they have told our government that they would not support any military action against Afganistan or any other country.

The operation Bush's administration is proposing is a world-wide attack against terrorism. The countries already mentioned as being potential targets are North Korea, Pakistan, Afganistan, Egypt, Sudan, Cuba, Vietnam, and others. Some of these countries are expected to participate with us in our effort to erradicate the terrorist training camps and bases of operations within their territories. Some of them won't agree to willingly allow our military to strike within their borders.

Finding bin Ladden's bases and camps will be easy because our tax dollars built most of them. The United States and the former Soviet Union have been the main supporters, oufitters, suppliers and teachers of most of the world's terrorist organisations in recent history. Thus, we have very good intelligence on the locations of major encampments throughout the world because we actually built them and kept them supplied with weapons and expert training.

At this point, it's probably too late to take a serious and thoughtful look at our own foriegn policy. It's a shame that people in the United States are not involved in or informed about what their trillions of dollars are being spent on.

Don't underestimate what is happening here... we are going to war and it will be a long, painful and bloody process. I will be fought all over the globe in many different countries... including the USA.
on Sep 15, 2001
I'm appalled by all acts of terrorism. I feel deeply for all those effected by terrorism. All the innocent lives lost and the suffering of the families. The waste of life. As an Englishman living in Manchester I've experienced the effects of terrorism before. I can only hope that all those Fireman and Police Officers who have lost colleagues during the tragedy in New York will now stop their funding of terrorism through their continued support of the IRA. Do they now realise that their country as well as the rest of the civilised world has declared war on them too. They have and continue to support and offer safe harbour to terrorists. "The Devil's Advocate" was not just a lousy movie!!!! Support freedom now and banish ALL support to ALL terrorist activity.
on Sep 15, 2001
Brad, how can you be sure of that? Do you have access to records none of the rest of us do? The CIA did in fact distribute a paper by one of their analysts in 1993 describing exactly this scenario.
on Sep 15, 2001
It is up to the person making the assertion that the CIA trained these people.

There is already no shortage of evidence that the terrorists went to Florida, took flying lessons, and went from there. Are you suggesting that the CIA were flight instructors in Florida?
on Sep 15, 2001
craeonics stops biting his tongue for a sec

North Korea, Cuba and Vietnam? Since when do they host terrorists?

/me continues biting his tongue
on Sep 16, 2001
The US has every right in my opinion to retaliate,but in no way has the right to "Americanise" the rogue nations to the point where the world series will actually be a world event.My country (Australia) is extremley close to the largest Islamic country on earth,Indonesia.Australia has a population of 20 million, Indonesia has 210 million.We almost went to war with them in 1999 over their attempted obliteration of the East Timorese,and have no doubt that this will happen if a Christian/Islamic war is to take place.Just alerting you guys in the states that your actions will have far reaching consequnces and this isnt just a US problem anymore.ps I will fight to the death to protect my homeland and way of life,but not for a country which doesnt know where Australia is on the map or to appease my ass kissing government,just like we did in Vietnam
on Sep 16, 2001
Dont get me wrong. Im not saying the CIA had anything to do with this. But back in the days of the USSR invasion of Afganistan the USA through CIA armed and traind Taliban (and bin Ladden was fighting with them at the time). They learned them to fight with whatever weapons the had. And they learned the lesson real good. Unfortunately.

The war in Afganistan was a horror and real attrocities were comitted by both sides.
on Sep 16, 2001
What the?!..
What war are you talking about? Wasn't it the US who continuosly said that the best way to deal with terorists is negotiations, not war?! US tried to convince Russia that it mus NEGOTIATE with chechens -- and now, even when the enemy is not clear -- US PREPARES FOR WAR?!
God...
Maybe US prepares for something, but I can't call it a WAR. When you answer for terrorism by bombing some countries -- it ALSO IS THE TERRORISM.

Therefore, America prepares for terrorism, not war.
on Sep 16, 2001
...by the way...
WHat words did Bush choose to start Spetember, 11th speech to nation?
"Good evening"?
Or was I desinformed?
on Sep 16, 2001
The events of last week will forever be etched in our minds. As our prayers go out to the rescuers and the victims families we must remain united and support our president whether we voted for him or not. We must do whatever is necessary to stop the terriorism. I don't want to see a war start as I have a 25 yr. old son. But what must be will be. May God bless us and have mercy on our souls. United we stand, divided we fall.
on Sep 16, 2001
It really doesn't matter what you think it is SSL. It is war. And if you cannot make the distinction between flying civilian airlines into office buildings for the express purpose of killing innocents and accidental collateral damage, then you have my sympathy.
on Sep 16, 2001
I have been unable to post a response here since my last post. This is a test to see if maybe my response is being blocked because it's too long...
on Sep 16, 2001
since that seems to be the case I'll break it up into three parts...

I've been staying out of conversations on the MB's because I'm not sure of my own rationality at this time. I was struck with such numbing grief and rage, and then found out that a very good friend of mine was on the plane that hit the Pentagon. Having her face, her voice and her wonderful personality attached to the incidents has deeply personalized and multiplied my pain and my rage.

It's impossible to get the truth anymore, not that anyone has been clamoring for it. Spin seems to be preferred because it's less threatening. We can now expect even less truth from the press both domestic and international. The propaganda filters and outright content control is now a matter of international security. Dissention in the form of mere questions can be viewed as seditious when a country is at war. But questions and disbelief are natural when you are asked to accept that our system failed so miserably to protect us.
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