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Published on December 26, 2008 By Frogboy In Elemental Dev Journals

When looking at the graphics in Elemental as we show them, there are two things to remember:

1. We're over a year away from release so we're talking very preliminary artwork.

2. It's a strategy game not an RPG so the units aren't going to have the kinds of detail that an RPG has because we have to display thousands and thousands of these units on screen.

So the other day we discussed how equipment being added to your units would work with the Intel Havok physics engine. The idea is that when you add armor to a unit or  other equipment that it wouldn't just be some sort of texture blend as seen in most traditional 3D games but rather the equipment mixes and matches with physics being applied.

The trick here is performance and obviously this would not be displayed on lower end machines (the graphics would just stay together like in most games). But the idea is to future proof the game and provide some visual candy and greater immersion as people see their created units doing their thing.

It's worth noting that one could just play the game zoomed out in the cloth map and never even see an actual unit so people who don't care about this kind of thing don't have to look at it.  But people (like me) who really like seeing their units in action can watch the units go into battle.

For this video below, we took a horse and equipped it with horse armor to show how it worked together.

Video: http://draginol.stardock.net/videos/physics.wmv


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on Dec 26, 2008

It may not be immediatly visible to everyone, because this is armor on a horse - it's even a bit silly that everything isn't tied down. But I'll point it out; Watch the front part of the horse armor, and how it bounces as the legs move.

That looks absolutely great, Frogboy, and even if the graphics doesn't improve further (which I in no way would be suprised if they do) that will look great for a 4x TBS.

I'd love to see an armor-less horse for absolute comparison, though.

I can see a big furball scuttle around with a leather armor harness already.

on Dec 26, 2008

I reserve the right to arm bears.

Looks fantastic.

on Dec 26, 2008

From the screenshots I've seen so far and that video, I can say that I'm a fan of the graphics. One trend I've noticed with Strategy games over the years is that as graphics improved and complexity increased, the amount of units on screen has reduced. The Total War series is, nevertheless, an excellent example of some large scale combat. The upcoming Empire: Total War looks inspiring!

By keeping the overal graphics simple and compatible with a lot of systems, it frees up a lot of room for the developers to get more units, particle effects and other eye candy/mechanics on screen. While we've not seen the magic and the carnage yet, I'm sure if SD is going for epic battles (careful with the "thousands and thousands of units" statement, it can backfire! *cough Black&White2 cough*) and super destructive spells, a less intense graphics engine would accomodate that. Important to note is also that SD want to have the game work on as many different PC rigs as possible so it always ends up as a this or that equation.

I prefer a more epic game with awesome units, spells and stylized graphics to super realistic graphics but only 10 units to look at.

Having said that, I can't wait for the day when Crysis Graphics + Populus Gameplay combine, but it's not here yet.

on Dec 26, 2008

...It's worth noting that one could just play the game zoomed out in the cloth map and never even see an actual unit so people who don't care about this kind of thing don't have to look at it.  But people (like me) who really like seeing their units in action can watch the units go into battle. ...

I played GC2 for a long while on a sub-spec box, so I avoided the 3D views b/c they could really mess me up. I'm also pretty hung up on the largest maps. But I definitely like the zoomed-in view in GC2 now that I have a box that can handle it, and I suspect Elemental might be a big factor the timing of my next graphics hardware purchase--even though I'm still likely to spend most of my time out on the cloth map level.

on Dec 26, 2008

Niiiiiiiice. Next video could be one of those paladins with armor, helmet and shield?

on Dec 26, 2008

Tamren
I reserve the right to arm bears.

Looks fantastic.

Wintersong
Niiiiiiiice.  Next video could be one of those paladins with armor, helmet and shield?
Bear Paladins?

on Dec 26, 2008

Bear Paladins of Pooh, the Honey God!

on Dec 26, 2008

Wooooo that looks great It really does look like all the individual elements have their heft to them and interact together as solid objects should I can imagine with a thousand such units it will look absolutely awesome!

I'm really enjoying the process of watching the development of this game come along bit by bit, it's really addictive! I just want more more more

on Dec 26, 2008

The individual pieces of this game keep growing more and more tasty.  I'm confident you guys can pull them all together and make an amazing game.

Looks great

Though I do have one question.  You talk about the physics engine future-proofing the game.  How much more detail could we expect on a higher end system? Or even a future, say 5 years, high end system? I ask this because if you can do fine details such as hair (as in the horses tail moving more like hair), you can also do things like, grass and leaves and other minute details, that can truely bring the entire world to life. If you zoom in on a tree and a breeze blows and the leaves ruffle in the wind in a believable manner, while that may be no more then eye candy, it can profoundly impact the visual immersion for your game.

I'm pretty sure such detail isnt going to be possible with this particular engine, at least maybe not without heavy modification down the road. And even if it is possible the problem then becomes, is it worth the cost?  But I'm still curious to know just how far you think the tech can go with this games engine.

Keep the tid bits coming!

on Dec 26, 2008

awesome.  What was rendering that?  (I know 3D max doesn't let you move the camura in rendering... at least not the copy I use )  It didn't look like in-game per say, but then you said it had physics on it?

So is custom content going to have the physics automatically applied to it?   I mean that movement on the horse straps could have been scripted for all I know, and if its not, how hard is it going to be for custom user content to take advantage of those physics?

on Dec 27, 2008

They weren't rendering that with 3d Max or something like that, it was real time, like... a 3d game. Because it is a 3d game .

on Dec 27, 2008

well, sure.    But that doesn't mean it wasn't in something.  You saw the grid floor right?   What game engine defaults to having something that looks like that?  (well, you could say 'their's does'  but that isn't the point)it looked like the modeling program to me.

on Dec 27, 2008

landisaurus
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So is custom content going to have the physics automatically applied to it?   I mean that movement on the horse straps could have been scripted for all I know, and if its not, how hard is it going to be for custom user content to take advantage of those physics?
As far as I understand it, the very point behind having these physics is so that custom content will have it, and be able to use it easily.

on Dec 27, 2008

landisaurus
awesome.  What was rendering that?  (I know 3D max doesn't let you move the camura in rendering... at least not the copy I use )  It didn't look like in-game per say, but then you said it had physics on it?

So is custom content going to have the physics automatically applied to it?   I mean that movement on the horse straps could have been scripted for all I know, and if its not, how hard is it going to be for custom user content to take advantage of those physics?

First, I can't imagine 3D max won't allow you to render motion shots. I've never used 3D max, but from my experience with other software I imagine you would have to create a new camera object to do so, rather than to use the default. Or possibly play with render settings.

Secondly, there would be no point in having a physics engine if the animations are scripted. The point of Frogboy's post was to show the physics engine in action, not to show Stardock's scripted animation skills. And like Luckmann said, the whole point of using a physics engine is so that the user-designed units will still move realistically.

Although I guess there is a difference between units designed in the unit editor vs. user-made models. I guess if somebody wants to mod in bears and have the physics work well with their bear model, they would have to provide some extra information, like mass.

on Dec 27, 2008

This looks awesome! I especially like the soft feel of the texture of the graphics, you almost feel you want to pat the horse ...     The only part that could need some extra work is the horse's tail.

Next thing will be to see how the units really moves, when attacking and not least when being blown out of the way by a dragon's breath. This will be as important as the look of the unit, especially when the game is going for the "LOTR Sauron making people fly on the battlefield" look. Would be incredibly cool if it is pulled off well, but could look extremely corny if not done well. We're keeping our faith in SD.

 

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