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Published on October 17, 2008 By Frogboy In Personal Computing

I have some advice for all those people thinking about getting a solid state hard drive: Don't do it until AFTER you have at least gone to 64-bit Vista and gotten your memory up to 8 GIGS.

Since the days of Windows 3.0 (or OS/2 2.0) the mantra has been "add more RAM" when it comes to improving system performance.  But a few years ago, people started to quit saying that because, well, power users realized they had bumped up against the 4 gigabyte (really 3 gigabyte) limit of 32-bit Windows XP/Vista.

That's when we started looking for other ways to improve performance. For example, if our 32-bit OS could only see 3 gigs or so and a typical Vista set up is using say 1.5 gigs when doing serious work, that doesn't leave a lot for disk caching.

In days gone by, my 8 megabyte Windows 3.1 or OS/2 box would have at least 25% of those 8 gigs dedicated to disk caching (SmartDrv or OS/2's cache).  I remember having a 4 gig disk cache when I went to 16 megabytes of system RAM.

And yet here we are in 2008, because of the limitations of a 32-bit OS, we find ourselves with very little memory available for things like disk caching. So what do we do? We discover the benefits of having the hard drive be RAM instead of addressing the underlying problem - we need more RAM.

So I upgrade my Thinkpad T400 to 8 gigs and the results are shocking. Despite the machine being far slower than my monster desktop machine at work, its performance feels about the same when it comes to loading things because there's so much memory available for caching.  Right now, as I type this, Windows says it's using 2.6 GIGS for the disk cache.  I've gotten rid of the swap file entirely and the system is just wonderful.

An SSD would be nice to be sure but they're extremely expensive (I know, I have 3 on various machines) and the performance gain is never as much as people hope outside of booting up which most power users rarely do.

Migrating to 64-bit Windows has been one of the most exciting things I've done with regards to PC tech since Windows 2000 came out. 

One last point about 64-bit computing, the faster we get to it, the better off we all will be.  Right now, PC games are up against the 2-gig limit per process of 32-bit Windows.  It's a big problem (all those wonderful high resolution textures use a lot of RAM).  Going to 64-bit will revolutionize games and many other applications and let's face it, memory is pretty cheap compared to the alternatives.


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on Oct 17, 2008

An SSD would be nice to be sure but they're extremely expensive (I know, I have 3 on various machines) and the performance gain is never as much as people hope outside of booting up which most power users rarely do.

LOL...the reason i have not bothered with SSD. I have vista 64 and 4GB ATM and am loving it. I too don't bother with a page file anymore and have about 1.9GB cached at the moment.

But, since i have an uptime of over 110 hours atm, the advantages of a SSD is lost on me, When they drop their price i may/will look into them more seriously, but when i can go out and pick up a 2GB stick of kingston for ~$115 (DDR2) i cant see any better way to boost performance.

Well, besides going to DDR3, but that is still a little expensive as well.

Im glad to hear your thoughts on 64bit Froggy, perhaps then GC3 will take full advantage of 64Bit. What a truly awesome game that will make!

 

on Oct 19, 2008

i can go out and pick up a 2GB stick of kingston for ~$115 (DDR2)

I just picked up a pair of DDR 2 800's in kit-form for AUD$89.95 (10% discount for Cash cos Pat's not fussed on credit Card). so AUD$115 seems a bit expensive from where I'm sitting.  If you can get to PK Computers at Goodna you'll get a better deal on Ram than that.  If you're too far away and  can't get there and want to deal though them Pat takes postal and email orders from all over Oz, so I you want I could have a word with him about helping you out 'pricewise' on a lot of stuff... he beats Harvey Norman and many other large retailer on PC related prices by far, so it's worth a thought.

I just got myself a copy of Vista Home Premium 64 bit (online download to save a couple of hundered bucks), but Paypal went via e-cheque instead of using my card, thus the transaction took longer to complete and now I won't get my license key until Monday/Tuesday now.  I downloaded the ISO file and matched the checksum before burning it to disc, so I'll be ready to go as soon as My license key shows up... and with 8 gigs of DDR2 800 loaded, current AMD Athlon x2 6400 @ 3.4 ghz and Geforce 880GT 512mb I reckon sweet for upgrades for a while now.

on Oct 19, 2008

I've had 8gigs of ram for a while, its pretty cheap now.

 

Despite the machine being far slower than my monster desktop machine at work

 

I dread to think how much ram is in there, if that's what makes it a monster? or is it Octo-core processors, quad sli, or something? I can't imagnie.......

on Oct 19, 2008

8 gigs of DDR2 800 loaded, current AMD Athlon x2 6400 @ 3.4 ghz and Geforce 880GT 512mb I reckon sweet for upgrades for a while now.

Hmmmm.....Being a noob, 'n all d'ya think my Commodore 64 with Windows 3.1 isn't gonna be good with this Vista thing, whatever it is?

And where do I look for 64 Bits?

on Oct 19, 2008

I use windows XP 64bit, with 4 gigs of ram, and can run any program fine. I havnt bothered to get vista, as a lot of my favorite programs arnt vista friendly.

on Oct 19, 2008

8GB of RAM is the sweet spot for a 64 bit OS right now.  4GB really isn't worth it as the additional overheads for the 64 bit OS can eat up more than you gain.

on Oct 19, 2008

I agree that 8 GB is the sweet spot.

on Oct 19, 2008

I covet your ThinkPad T400 with 8 gigs .

8 gigs is a good spot for 64 bit, and now that I do everything except gaming on my pc, I can feel free to make that 64 and shove some more ram in it. *checks prices of 4 GB sticks and recoils in horror at price of 16 GB*. Yep, 8 GB is the sweet spot here. Plus, the latency and speed are strictly meh.

on Oct 19, 2008

Where did you buy the two 4GB so dimms for your notebook?

on Oct 19, 2008

Mebbe newegg, there's two choices there. I wish I had $330 to spend on laptop RAM.

on Oct 19, 2008

xthetenth
Mebbe newegg, there's two choices there. I wish I had $330 to spend on laptop RAM.

I wish I was the big CEO head of a multi-million dollar company.

on Oct 19, 2008

I just picked up a pair of DDR 2 800's in kit-form for AUD$89.95 (10% discount for Cash cos Pat's not fussed on credit Card). so AUD$115 seems a bit expensive from where I'm sitting.

This was the closest i could find to what i have, I'm running 1333 and i have the 2Gb sticks, but still $115.

http://www.i-tech.com.au/products/32432_Kingston_KHX9600D2K2_2G_HYPERX_1200MHz.aspx

I use I-Tech from time to time but mainly just go to the computer fairs in the Newcastle area. Might take the much learned advice in here and upgrade to 8GB though. i'n not going to go to silly as my Mobo supports DDR3 so once those prices drop i can upgrade to that.

I too use Vista Ultimate, got it for $440AU (Officeworks) and have never looked back. Wish i had realized that W7 was only just over the horizon though...

on Oct 19, 2008

I too use Vista Ultimate, got it for $440AU (Officeworks) and have never looked back

You got a 64 bit copy of Vista Ultimate from OfficeWorks?   I recently inquired with them here in Qld and got told they only stock 32 bit versions.  In fact, nobody locally seems to have any 64 bit copies of Vista, in any flavour.  In the end I went with a copy of Vista Home Premium (full retail version) 64 bit for AUD$157.00 via digital download.  I could have gone with Ultimate for an extra $60, but passed so that I could buy the additional 4 gigs of Ram for $85.95 to slot right in when I install the 64 bit later on.

I've downloaded the ISO file and burned it to disc, and now I'm just waiting on my license key to be emailed cos there was noone there to process that over the weekend.... ETA is sometime later today/early tomorrow.

on Oct 19, 2008

OfficeWorks Newcastle had about 10 Vista Ultimates when i bought mine...around May of this year IIRC. JB HI-FI also has them as did Dink Smith.

Though JB and DS were over $700. Officeworks had a sale on and i was lucky. I didnt want to have to bother dealing with the upgrade from Premium...and at $440 i wasnt going to pass it up.