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Published on October 2, 2014 By Frogboy In Elemental Dev Journals

Q: What's the deal? There's a ton of awesome 4X fantasy strategy games to play. How is your game different?
A: This game assumes you’ve already played those games. And lost.

Q: Wait, what? I already lost? I haven’t even loaded up your game.
A: Yea, sorry about that.


Q: What the hell happened?
A: So to recap, in games like Fallen Enchantress, Age of Wonders, Worlds of Magic, Master of Magic, Warlock, Endless Legends, etc. you are trying to build an empire from the ground up. You compete against multiple kingdoms trying to do the same thing and win through a variety of means. Right?

Q: Right. And you’re saying Sorcerer King isn’t about that?
A: Exactly. All those things happened *before* Sorcerer King. And I have some bad news. The Sorcerer King won.


Q: So I don’t play as the Sorcerer King?
A: No. The Sorcerer King was the guy who won the previous game. He already conquered everyone.

Q: So what’s the object of your game then?
A: Well, having already built his empire and defeated everyone, the Sorcerer King wants outright Godhood and to do that, he must destroy the handful of remaining magical shards to capture their essence so that he can cast the Spell of Making.


Q: I’m familiar with that fantasy trope. So he’s capturing—
A: No, he’s destroying the shards. He’s not playing the same game you’re playing. We call that Asymmetrical 4X.


Q: Asymmetrical 4X? Is that even a thing? Sounds like a marketing thing.
A: Yea, probably. But it means that the player’s goals are very different than that of the other players.


Q: So in this game it’s not about a bunch of players building empires?
A: Right. Everyone already had their shot to build their empire. This game is what happens after the bad guy won.


Q: So what are you, the player, supposed to do?
A: Keep the Sorcerer King from destroying the shards and becoming a god.


Q: How do you do that?
A: First, you must build up and fortify your last remaining city.

Second, train new units to go out and protect the shards.

Third, you need to build up new cities to ensure you have the logistical capability of even taking on the Sorcerer King.

Fourth, find the remnants of the empires that were already defeated by the Sorcerer King and see if they can help you or at least keep them from totally surrendering to the Sorcerer King.

Fifth, go on quests, kill monsters to gather ingredients and items to use for crafting.


Q: Well that sounds like a 4X to me.
A: It is a 4X. It’s an asymmetrical one. The other players aren’t building up empires, going up some tech tree, negotiating treaties. They are all doing different things. Some are just trying to survive. Others want revenge. Some are just jerks. Seriously. Hate those guys. And the Sorcerer King himself wants to be a god. He’s already got an empire. Your job is to stop him by trying to convince the remnant empires that there’s still hope, building new cities, going on quests, finding ingredients for crafting, etc.


Q: Ah, so this game has crafting?
A: Sure does. You possess the Forge of the Overlord and can use recipes and ingredients to craft powerful equipment to give to your units.


Q: So what are the victory conditions?
A: Kill the Sorcerer King.


Q: And…?
A: That’s it. The fun is in how you go about doing that. Your means and strategy will differ from game to game based on map size, which quests come up, which minor factions are in there, what environments are available, which of the 6 different sovereigns you choose, which heroes you find, what resources are available, what spells the Sorcerer King learns, etc.


Q: What about Diplomacy? Can’t you ally with the other players and win that way?
A: Allying is indeed a victory condition – for the Sorcerer King. He will try to get you to ally with him.


Q: Wait? You can ally with the Sorcerer King?
A: Sure! Remember, he’s the one playing the traditional 4X game. He’s the one sending out settlers and building cities and conquering and trying to cast the spell of making or allying with the other races to win.


Q: What happens if you do ally with him?
A: You die.


Q: So why would I do that?
A: I don’t know. People like victory conditions.


Q: But it’s a victory condition for the Sorcerer King!
A: Well yea, it’s his game. I mean, it’s his name on the box. It’s not like the game is called Bob’s game.


Q: My name isn’t Bob.
A: And it never will be with that attitude.


Comments (Page 2)
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on Oct 02, 2014

Do you add craft system, new units/skins and better AI to FE LH (from SK)?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PxWARwGG0Y&feature=youtu.be

Its a game for mature players ? ? ? Any FE / Sins/ GC player will buy SK ?

on Oct 02, 2014

Seems like a huge wasted opportunity not including multiplayer.  Both cooperative against the AI shadowking lord but also versus play with multiple humans against a human controlled overlord king shadow sorceror.

4x games without multiplayer are a big pet peeve.  Can you name any 4x games with competent AI?  AI that can play the game without cheating?  Or that will give a good fight to a veteran player?  Me either.  And I get it, AI is tough and that's forgivable if there's humans to play, but without that there's just not much longevity to the experience.  

Dealbreaker for me.

on Oct 02, 2014

Domicron

Seems like a huge wasted opportunity not including multiplayer.  Both cooperative against the AI shadowking lord but also versus play with multiple humans against a human controlled overlord king shadow sorceror.

4x games without multiplayer are a big pet peeve.  Can you name any 4x games with competent AI?  AI that can play the game without cheating?  Or that will give a good fight to a veteran player?  Me either.  And I get it, AI is tough and that's forgivable if there's humans to play, but without that there's just not much longevity to the experience.  

Dealbreaker for me.

Do you have GalCiv III? Are you playing it multiplayer?

on Oct 02, 2014

Frogboy


Quoting Domicron,

Seems like a huge wasted opportunity not including multiplayer.  Both cooperative against the AI shadowking lord but also versus play with multiple humans against a human controlled overlord king shadow sorceror.

4x games without multiplayer are a big pet peeve.  Can you name any 4x games with competent AI?  AI that can play the game without cheating?  Or that will give a good fight to a veteran player?  Me either.  And I get it, AI is tough and that's forgivable if there's humans to play, but without that there's just not much longevity to the experience.  

Dealbreaker for me.



Do you have GalCiv III? Are you playing it multiplayer?

 

He's probably like me, doesn't buy games in a beta state.  Weren't you slinging the beta at $99 at one point ?  Hope you recouped the salary of whatever brainiac you paid for that idea.  Not that you can particularly trust stardock's designation of beta.  Re:  Elemental War of Magic.  

I'm not sweating it though, I got Endless Legends, phenomenal game.  I dare say it is better than AoW 3.  I'm not sure how big their company is vs Stardock's but maybe the sales from WindowBlinds could be leveraged to purchase them?

 

 

 

 

on Oct 02, 2014

Frogboy

Do you have GalCiv III? Are you playing it multiplayer?

What's that got to do with anything?

And no I don't because it's early access and I don't do early access games.  

I do look forward to taking a look at it when it comes out and am glad you are including multiplayer because I don't want to play games alone.

on Oct 02, 2014

bullyellis


Quoting Frogboy,






Quoting Domicron,



Seems like a huge wasted opportunity not including multiplayer.  Both cooperative against the AI shadowking lord but also versus play with multiple humans against a human controlled overlord king shadow sorceror.

4x games without multiplayer are a big pet peeve.  Can you name any 4x games with competent AI?  AI that can play the game without cheating?  Or that will give a good fight to a veteran player?  Me either.  And I get it, AI is tough and that's forgivable if there's humans to play, but without that there's just not much longevity to the experience.  

Dealbreaker for me.



Do you have GalCiv III? Are you playing it multiplayer?



 

He's probably like me, doesn't buy games in a beta state.  Weren't you slinging the beta at $99 at one point ?  Hope you recouped the salary of whatever brainiac you paid for that idea.  Not that you can particularly trust stardock's designation of beta.  Re:  Elemental War of Magic.  

I'm not sweating it though, I got Endless Legends, phenomenal game.  I dare say it is better than AoW 3.  I'm not sure how big their company is vs Stardock's but maybe the sales from WindowBlinds could be leveraged to purchase them?

 

 

 

 

 

 

It was Alpha for 99 and you got the base game and all future expansions and dlc. You are smart to not purchase beta, it is far too much for you to figure out. 

 

Grats on your purchase of Endless legends. 

 

Stardock is doing great, glad you are concerned!

on Oct 02, 2014

I'm floored by the honesty and comminucation of y'all at Stardock. How many devs would overtly call some of their weaker games failures, call out bugs, have weekly (at least!) updates on the beta stages, and stay active on the forums? I wish the government was half as open as Stardock.

SK looks interesting, but I'm gonna wait for some Let's Plays.

on Oct 03, 2014

watching this one

on Oct 03, 2014

Personally I will be waiting to see what Das24680 has to say about the game before I consider purchase.  He is pretty good at getting the feel of the game over to the viewers.

on Oct 03, 2014

I love this game. But if Tattyhat decides he doesn't approve of it, I will burn the computer I played it on.

on Oct 03, 2014

davrovana

I love this game. But if Tattyhat decides he doesn't approve of it, I will burn the computer I played it on.

 

Thank you for your support, but I would rather you gave me your computer for spare and repairs.  Seems such a waste to just incinerate it.  


I like the let's Play's by Das.  He is good at picking out the bad as well as the good points, and giving you a overall impression of how the game feels, as in, can it keep your attention.  He has saved me a few bob has Das.

on Oct 03, 2014

I personally don't really care about multiplayer and i really like the idea of playing the underdog.

I know of course that many games enable you to compete against greater empires (like Distant Worlds) but they're not specifically designed to be played this way.

 

And i'm extremely interested in this new feature "given the right attitude, you can rename yourself Bob, then rename the game to be Bob's Game, then ally with yourself to win the game".  

 

on Oct 03, 2014

Wow the trolls are dicks here. This game is definitely interesting. Will keep an eye out for some more demo footage before pulling the trigger.

on Oct 03, 2014

Wow. In reading Brad's FAQ, I really question the choice of artwork for SK. After watching the let's play releases so far, I was definitely not given the impression of a dark struggle of rebels and last stands. I felt I was in hobbit-town or something.

on Oct 04, 2014

Found it on Steam a few days ago and it looks like a cool game.

 

My main question is if it will be balanced/competetive in that there shouldn't be obvious choices like mage is better than other classes or archers are overpowered etc.

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