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The Internet is toxic, but its toxicity is usually equal opportunity

One of the more annoying trends in our society has been the substitution of action with rhetoric.  This has really taken off in the age of Twitter where people think hashtags are a replacement for actually doing something.

Today I read an Opinion Piece on Polygon called “No Skin thick enough: The daily harassment of women in the game industry”  by a woman named Brianna Wu. It's an article I recommend checking out.

However, I do have some criticisms of the piece. For starters, it is a bad piece of journalism. It relies completely on sensationalist emotionalism to back up its blanket assertion (“the daily harassment of women in the game industry”). 

Such articles, even opinion pieces, are apparently not open to discussion.  As soon as I expressed some criticism on Twitter the haters came out in force. All sense of reason evaporated.  My criticism was: Be aware that sometimes allegations of sexual harassment are false (remember what happened to me). Sometimes, some women choose to take criticism/teasing/abuse as being due to their sex. 

Let me give you the part from the article that caused me to write my tweet in the first place. 

This is the example Ms. Wu provides as an example of sexual harassment women face:

Two things to point out about this: First, anonymous user (which is one of the sources of why Internet discussion can get so toxic) and second, while clearly abusive, this has nothing to do with the writer being female.  I have gotten tweets to me very similar to this when I've made a casual tweet regarding a game console. Ask Phil Fish about internet abuse. Trolls will cater their trolling to their target.

The point of my tweet is that we need to be careful on this because *sometimes* the allegation that it's *sexual* harassment is false. 

The article provides 4 such anecdotes. The Internet has plenty of vile behavior that many of us run into regularly. But this article tries to make sweeping conclusions with it. I take issue with articles that make sweeping (and arguably sexist) charges against men using 4 anecdotes as evidence.

If we were debating any other topic and someone made a broad, far reaching claim and backed it up with nothing more than 4 anecdotal examples they’d get reamed.  But because we are talking about an ism, it is taboo to raise any skepticism about the article’s agenda.

I’ve been in the game industry a long time. I’ve seen its ugliness in many different forms. So let me tell you: This subject matter is delicate and should be treated as such. 

So let's look at the responses I got when I tweeted that women sometimes make false claims of "sexual harassment" when in fact what they received had nothing to do with their sex:

To which I respond:

Which gets:

Buzzfeed's Nicol Leffel goes right to name-calling almost immediately.

Ugh. There were much more vile responses than these but I blocked them and now I can't find them on twitter.  The point being, even attempting to discuss the topic invites assumptions of sexism and abuse.

There IS misogyny in the game industry but not where the professional victims would have you believe

The misogyny I've seen in our industry is not representative of game culture in general but is a manifestation of Internet toxicity. Let's start with the sexist reaction successful women in the game industry often receive. When a man does something impressive and gets some publicity, they get kudos and support.  But if a woman does something impressive and gets the same publicity, their experience is likely to be terrible and humiliating.  I’ve seen this first hand and it’s discouraging.  But it would be wrong to imply that this is a general issue. Internet culture is toxic.  

...But we have to be careful that this issue isn't exploited by opportunistic people to for professional or personal gain.

I have first hand experience with this. Those of you who know me know the hell I went through when I was falsely accused of "sexual harassment" by a former, opportunistic employee who was hoping for a quick pay off.  

Let me say it plainly: There are women who will exploit this delicate topic for financial or professional gain. Maybe they’re “journalists” who know it’s a quick, easy way to get their article published on Kotaku. Maybe it’s a former journalist whose just gotten into the game industry who wants her upcoming project to get coverage. Or maybe it’s a young woman mad at her boss who wants to exploit the issue to make money. And of course, maybe it’s a legitimate reporting on a serious problem. But sorry, I’m a skeptic now. I didn’t use to be such a skeptic but 2 years of unwarranted smears and death threats have made me take these claims with a grain of salt.

So what can we do?

I’m an engineer, I’m interested in solutions and I think there is a lot we can do to address this issue:

  1. Punish people who harass other people. I.e. Permanently ban someone who writes the kind of disgusting invective that the article cites.  XBox Live and other services allow for an immense level of abuse of all kinds. Don’t tolerate it anymore.
     
  2. Eliminate anonymous profiles on social networks like Xbox Live, Twitter, YouTube. Game sites could eliminate comment anonymity if they were genuinely concerned about this issue.  Anonymity has a place on the net -- forums, groups, etc.  But mainstream social networking should not be anonymous. Maybe it's not doable but as long as it is, trolls will be able to exploit this.
     (I've changed my mind on #2)

  3. Encourage / Reward those who actually DO something. The reason “white knighting” is despised is because it’s really about people making themselves feel good about themselves.   Less rewarding of progressive rhetoric and more reward of progressive action.
     
  4. Encourage people to talk about the transformative effects of a more diversified working environment. We hire a lot of women because it makes our products better. Not because women are “just as good” as men but rather because men and women bring unique strengths.

    Running a company dominated by one sex puts them at a distinct disadvantage in the talent area.  Men and women are different.  Here’s a “sexist” statement: It has been my experience that women are better at UI design than men. I have no idea why. That’s 20 years of observation talking. Men tend to be better at debugging. No idea why. Don’t care. Both seem to be equally effective at writing buggy code.

     
  5. Scrutinize and punish those who make false claims on this topic. We need to be very very careful about tarring and feathering people on this issue. Don’t reward those who are trying to profit from playing the sexism card.

Choose to be part of the solution: Do your part to make the Internet a less toxic environment. Don’t just blindly support empty, feel good pap. Keep your critical thinking cap on.

Update: Slashdot comments are very interesting and in stark contrast to the empty progressive rhetoric on Twitter. http://games-beta.slashdot.org/story/14/07/22/229256/the-daily-harassment-of-women-in-the-game-industry

Update 2: Added more content, added item #2 regarding anonymity. Fixed Typos. (see edit history).

Update 3: Added pics from Twitter.

Update 4: Typos, streamlined.

Update 5: Crossed out item 2. I've been persuaded that it's a bad idea. 


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on Jul 27, 2014

Volt_Cruelerz

I have a very hard time classifying something as rape.

It's quite simple.

What part of "NO" do you not understand?

 

Other than that, I'm not entirely convinced that Frogboy's OP needed to segue into a debate about what does or doesn't constitute 'rape'.

on Jul 27, 2014

myfist0

As I said before, art is not the place to debate or inject ideology. People that can't differentiate between art in print or screen, IMO, have more than a few screws loose. If we wanted to go that route, and say people will learn to act out what is in film or novels, our jails would be filled with people that got a gory revenge on their perpetrators.


Pardon my jumping at the tail end of this, but the thing about art is it can be anything, about anything, for any purpose and mean anything.  There are really no rules.

Case in point of ideology imbued into art:

on Jul 27, 2014

This thread has now achieved Godwin's law.

on Jul 27, 2014

Yep, that's a Godwin.  THREAD CLOSED! 

 

on Jul 27, 2014

Cauldyth

Yep, that's a Godwin.  THREAD CLOSED! 

 

 

Only for those whom redefine "Godwin's Law" to be something other than the 1990 USENET newsgroup post made by Mike Godwin, after whom the 'law' was named, in which he simply observed that, essentially, the longer an Internet discussion progresses, the more likely an analogy to Hitler or the Nazis will occur.

If you believe "Godwin's Law" in any way asserts the one to draw the analogy automatically loses or that the law dictates the thread must then be closed, you have adopted a twisted re-interpretation analogous to Charles Darwin's Theory of Evolution twisted into the plutocratic "social Darwinism."

on Jul 27, 2014

Chibiabos


If you believe "Godwin's Law" in any way asserts the one to draw the analogy automatically loses or that the law dictates the thread must then be closed, you have adopted a twisted re-interpretation analogous to Charles Darwin's Theory of Evolution twisted into the plutocratic "social Darwinism."

 

You saw the smiley in Cauldyth's post, right?....

on Jul 27, 2014

I've always been curious as to how anyone with that 'stach could possibly rise politically...

 

It's quite simple.

What part of "NO" do you not understand?

 

If only it were so cut and dry...

 

Happily married couple with deep, solid connections.  They know each other inside out, been together for years.  Wife has a really bad day at work, stressed out and feels like complete shit.  Hubby starts taking care of business, wife says no, she doesn't feel like it.  Hubby keeps going, wife doesn't feel like shit when they're done.

 

By the cut and dry definition, a feeble protest between lovers makes an act of love into rape.  The physical properties of getting some have been shown to be extremely good for combating stress.  If anything it's a duty to get a frazzled partner worked up to get their mind off a shit day, and onto something nice.

 

On the other hand, plenty of people get so smashed they can't even remember the last night when they wake up with someone else, and a small but extremely alarming percentage of them cry rape afterwards, as if it's the responsibility of their equally inebriated partner to have stopped because they weren't capable of saying no at the time.

on Jul 27, 2014

Borg999


Quoting Chibiabos,


If you believe "Godwin's Law" in any way asserts the one to draw the analogy automatically loses or that the law dictates the thread must then be closed, you have adopted a twisted re-interpretation analogous to Charles Darwin's Theory of Evolution twisted into the plutocratic "social Darwinism."



 

You saw the smiley in Cauldyth's post, right?....

 

Unwinked, it could be interpretted to be a claim of victory.

on Jul 27, 2014

It's quite simple.

What part of "NO" do you not understand?

I wasn't talking about cases with categorical refusals like that.  It's often not as cut-and-dry as Psychoak mentioned above.

 

Also, the discussion has expanded into the wider case of not just mistreatment of women in the gaming industry but society.  In such a discussion, the definition of rape is very relevant.  If Frogboy would like to focus it more, I would be more than happy to oblige.

on Jul 27, 2014

No victory claim here, I'm not even taking part in that particular discussion. 

on Jul 28, 2014

Ugh. Why must feminism debates end in rape discussions?

on Jul 28, 2014


Ugh. Why must feminism debates end in rape discussions?

Exactly.

Read comment #136

on Jul 28, 2014

Or, because many mainstream feminist regularly portray men as slaves to base desires that spend their every waking moment objectifying women.  To hear them tell it, most of us are a hairs breadth away from committing heinous crimes because the violence obsessed culture tells us to...

on Jul 28, 2014

psychoak

Or, because many mainstream feminist regularly portray men as slaves to base desires that spend their every waking moment objectifying women.  To hear them tell it, most of us are a hairs breadth away from committing heinous crimes because the violence obsessed culture tells us to...

Yes, I agree...'tis annoying to be generalized into the 'mob' ...

on Aug 05, 2014



Quoting Campaigner,

Also, asking women for pics is nothing strange. Guys are like that.



Do it here to a fellow member and I'll have your balls.  It's the equivalent of stalking and an invasion of privacy.

The word you need to research is 'misogyny'   Spell checker

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogyny 

Yes, even Wiki's definition will suffice.

 

Tss that's bullshit. Is the "stalking and invasion of privacy part" YOUR opinion or some actual law?

Actually, no matter which, I still consider it nonsense.

 

"Misogony" is too vague a term. Hatred and dislike are different levels.

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