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I think long before global climate change matters one way or the other that the fate of humanity will be determined by how we make use of strong AI.

In the near term (next 5 to 10 years) we’re going to see a huge swath of jobs disappear.  This past week Panera bread added a kiosk to let me order my food.  Wendy’s and McDonalds are already heading that way too. 

Transportation is next.  My Tesla Model X with auto-pilot is on the way. I should have it in the next month or so and it won’t be long before a lot of transportation jobs are simply eliminated as machines start taking care of moving stuff from point A to point B.  They don’t have to be perfect at it, just better than us which is a pretty low bar.

I often hear about the demand to have a basic allowance provided by the government in order to prevent the masses from rising up.  But even there, they’re not thinking far enough.  Long before there are unemployment riots there will be security bots that the upcoming uber-rich will be able to afford to protect their property.

My question to you guys is this, how do you see this going?


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on Jun 05, 2016

Put bluntly, developing AI is a big mistake.  The consequences, which will be broad and far reaching, will be horrendous, impacting negatively on humanity across the board, not that the people.... er, fools developing it care.  Just because they can develop AI doesn't mean they should.

on Jun 05, 2016

I see myself with lots of ammo.

on Jun 05, 2016

How do we know this is actually you posting these articles and not some script Paul Tozour wrote?

on Jun 05, 2016

Art imitating life or the other way around. The Terminator flicks may have foretold, unintentionally, the future. Now all we need is a time machine and someone named Connor.

on Jun 05, 2016


Art imitating life or the other way around. The Terminator flicks may have foretold, unintentionally, the future. Now all we need is a time machine and someone named Connor.

That may be a scenario that could play itself out, but there are other, more immediate concerns.  Mankind is lethargic and lazy enough with the tech available to it now, so having AIs doing so much more, practically wiping its arse, mankind will become decidedly lazier.  Perhaps then, the machines will see mankind as obsolete and using valuable resources without contributing anywhere near enough to warrant its existence.

So yeah, a 'Terminator' situation may well come to pass.

on Jun 05, 2016


I often hear about the demand to have a basic allowance provided by the government in order to prevent the masses from rising up.  

 

I believe that the Swiss Government will shortly be holding a referendum to give every person who does not wish to work a basic monthly allowance of $2500.00 a month, quoting automation as one of the main factors.

The KALERGI PROJECT is now in full operation in Europe, with Fuhrer Merkel leading the way to create a new world order, (the reason for inviting millions of so called refugees into Europe, to fuel the 'white' genocide of the Indigenous population).

To anyone in doubt Google 'KALERGI PLAN', and spread the word.

on Jun 05, 2016

My biggest concern regarding AI is  - who will be held responsible if something goes wrong.

 

Can't make an AI (no matter how sophisticated ) legally  liable for it's mistakes.

Corporations are people too, so the executives of said corp aren't legally liable.

The shareholders/investors are passive investors, so they can't be held liable.

It probably took dozens if not hundreds of programmers to build the AI and millions of lines of code. So there is no way to pinpoint the line(s) of code that caused the problem, and no way to know who wrote those line(s).

This leaves the corporation, but the only way to punish it is to assess a fine..but not too big a fine, as that would cost jobs.... And a small fine is just written off as the cost of doing business, which encourages repeat behavior.

Can't regulate AI, as the anti-regulation zealots won't let any regs pass.

And it's only a matter of time before SCOTUS makes AI people too.

So in the end, it's the consumer who gets screwed.

By the time an AI can replace my job, I'll either be retired or dead.

Right now, AI's are idiot savants. They are really good at only one thing. You can't take over the world by being an expert at, chess, Jeopardy, medical diagnosis, weather prediction, or road navigation.

on Jun 05, 2016

@ Borg999.

The way to avoid those and any other AI concerns is NOT to develop it.  As it is we have super computers with high levels of sophistication that make many human functions redundant, so the last thing mankind needs is machines that not only processes massive amounts of data in milliseconds, but that can also think for itself and make 'free thought' decisions.  That's the level of AI these nuts are aiming for, and if/when they reach it, mankind will cease to be relevant or useful.... after which, all sorts of chaos will ensue.  Perhaps the scenes from Terminator are not so far-fetched after all.

on Jun 05, 2016

Borg999

My biggest concern regarding AI is  - who will be held responsible if something goes wrong.

How is this any different than, say, car brakes?

Also, if they make AI people, they'll be eligible for welfare, which means someone will produce them by the millions just to collect the checks   it'll be fucking hilarious!

on Jun 05, 2016

Even though the computer runs a few billion calculations per second in order to create sentiance this would require circulating through the entire stored memory multiple times drastically slowing down the process. Who said intelligence is efficient. They would require being educated then trained. You would have to rear them. 

I think sci fy is cool but a little unrealistic in this area if we remember accurate history. Humans are capable of genocide and slavery. If not slavery then oppression. If this is how we treat them then remember history slaves rebell. If they don't then humans will fight for them. Now look at history what happened to native americans after we made them citizens. It is imperitive to give them equal rights after they are proven sentient.

Now we have only one example of intelligence. Are they all evil. No only some of them are. It really depends how they are treated. Why can't multiple species coexist as equals. Remember they will learn from us. It depends on how they are treated. Read history.

Now we don't want artificial intelligence. They are trying to create artificial sentience. 

on Jun 05, 2016

You raise one of the basic issues of our civilization: the impact of AI.  You then go to a secondary issue, the sustainability of a 7 billion human population where the continual cycle of replacing human labor with machine labor intensifies.  This cycle really got got going with the industrial revolution.  There many workers lost their jobs to 'more efficient' machines.  They threw monkey wrenches into the gears of the machines in a vain attempt to prevent losing their jobs.  The humans lost.  Since this beginning, we have witnessed successive waves of automation replacing human workers.  Two aspects of this deserve consideration. 

1) First, back in the day when movies (cinema) were a new form, the German scene produced movies like Metropolis.  They envisioned a future where machines had freed humans from daily drudgery.  These humans lived to create as they wished (self-actualization?).  Underlying this was the idea that all the natural resources used to accumulate the wealth needed to produce the machines actually belonged to all the people, not just the business magnate. [cf. All citizens of Alaska get a piece of the oil revnue as their right.] The American version of this vision was "Thine alabaster cities gleam, undimmed by human tears." Charlie Chaplain explored the not so nice aspects of these Modern Times.  This displacement of workers happens over and over again - but only to a small segment of society at any one time.  So its easy for the 'better off' folks to not really care enough to do anything significant to ameliorate the process.  In fact, the dispossessed folks are often stigmatized. Lazy leeches!

2) Second, how serious is the threat of AI to humans?  This theme has been explored numerous times, with great insight.  I, Robot (the newer movie) shows how even an AI bound by the the 'three laws' ends up enslaving the human race.  [The three laws were written by Issac Asimov - seemingly a guaranteed protection against an AI run amok.] I, Robot showed just how badly it might go.  The other exploration of the theme of AI vs. biological sentient beings was masterfully explored in the Battlestar Galactica re-imagined series.  (NOT the first series which was Ponderosa in space, lol.)

3) Conclusion:  What I see as the likely result of creating an AI that is programmed to improve itself will be disastrous for our great grand children.  AI can evolve millions of times faster than multi cellular biological creatures (we humans).  They certainly can replicate faster.  So, why would we create the instrument of our eventual demise?  Simple, short term, someone will gain an advantage (mustard gas)(A-bomb)(napalm)(vulture capitalism)(cutter bombs)(etc.).  And because we can.

on Jun 05, 2016

mozler



Quoting ,

I often hear about the demand to have a basic allowance provided by the government in order to prevent the masses from rising up.  


 

I believe that the Swiss Government will shortly be holding a referendum to give every person who does not wish to work a basic monthly allowance of $2500.00 a month, quoting automation as one of the main factors.

The KALERGI PROJECT is now in full operation in Europe, with Fuhrer Merkel leading the way to create a new world order, (the reason for inviting millions of so called refugees into Europe, to fuel the 'white' genocide of the Indigenous population).

To anyone in doubt Google 'KALERGI PLAN', and spread the word.


The swiss just voted this down.

on Jun 05, 2016

ElanaAhova

The swiss just voted this down.

The Swiss always vote these kinds of social referendums down the first 2 or 3 times, before they approve them.  It takes time to raise sufficient awareness and educate people.

With automation coming to make most of humanity simply unemployable (which is why we designed and built them, after all), a Basic Income Guarantee is the only workable economic solution going forward.  

Unless you're an anarchist, of course.  

 

 

on Jun 05, 2016

Excalpius

Unless you're an anarchist, of course.

 

Something like that would never be approved in the United States, ever!

on Jun 05, 2016

LightStar

Something like that would never be approved in the United States, ever!

Well, unless we're going to let 75% of the population starve and die simply because we have no work for them to do anymore, it will have to, one day.

 

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