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Published on September 28, 2009 By Frogboy In Politics

I try to keep my Facebook account pretty private. I have friends with thousands of Facebook friends.  Mine has fewer than 350 and they’re nearly all family or people I’ve known for many many years.

Last week I posted a status update:

UPS has apparently pulled all their ads from Fox News. Will have to see if this is the case. I don't like to see companies trying to push their ideology on others.

This was not about Glenn Beck but rather UPS had pulled all their ads from Fox News.  Now, I confess I don’t watch a lot of TV.  I like Special Report and America’s News Room on Fox and will Hardball on MSNBC on occasion but most of my news comes from the net these days.

But it annoyed me that UPS was boycotting all of Fox News so the next day I came to work and had them look into it.  When it turned out that yea, they’re boycotting Fox I instructed fulfillment to use FedEx instead (it’s literally a check box just like using Amazon.com).

Unfortunately, I should have known better and before long, it ended up on GamePolitics.com except it had slowly morphed into support for Glenn Beck.

http://www.gamepolitics.com/2009/09/28/boycotting-boycotter-stardock-takes-ups

This of course then got it picked up everywhere with people taking the pros and cons of “such a move”.  I would be the first to agree with the people who said “It’s not good business to publicize such things”. Except I didn’t.  But of course, in the age of the Internet where anything can be recorded, video’d or in this case, copied and pasted, you end up in a gray area of what exactly is news and what isn’t.

Now, for most normal people, picking UPS or FedEx is like picking Little Caesars vs. Pizza Hutt (no offense to shipping companies or Pizza companies – before I start getting emails about that).

I wasn’t making a moral pronouncement on what UPS had done. I was simply annoyed by what they were doing and decided to pick a different shipper.

If people want to boycott my company as a result, that’s certainly their right.  It's a free market.

Update:

UPS says they are not boycotting Fox and in fact has new ads up now. 

Update 2:

I agree people shouldn't mix politics and business.

Update 3:

I don't think most people realize, especially those who are very active in online communities, how quickly what we write can be twisted when scrutinized. As someone who's had a company for nearly 20 years, it's only recently that we've apparently reached a level of notoriety that my semi-private Facebook comments could somehow be turned into a news story.  Be that as it may, I'll adapt.

Update 4:

Had someone argue that boycotting our software is no different than us boycotting UPS (which we weren't that's the problem with a "news story" based on a one-liner from Facebook but I digress).  

The idea behind a Boycott is that you are sacrificing the purchase of something you want in order to make a statement. If you're a wine drinker who likes French wine and decide to stop buying French wine in protest of something France did, that's a boycott.  

On the other hand, choosing to go to the Shell station instead of the Mobile gas station when the price is exactly the same and they're right next to each other because Exxon/Mobile annoyed you involves no sacrifice on the person's part.

Picking UPS or Fed Ex as a shipper is a commodity decision that involves no sacrifice. If we label every purchase decision based on a preference as a boycott then nearly every consumer choice we make would be a boycott.

Or to put this into language that political zealots would understand: If you really dislike Fox News and are choosing not to watch it, you're not boycotting it. You're just not watching it because you don't like it.


Comments (Page 1)
on Sep 28, 2009

In all honesty I don't think that this will affect Stardock business all that much. The type of person that would boycott a company's products based upon political views of the CEO would probably have already boycotted your company for past remarks that you have posted on Joeuser. Most people probably either don't care or don't pay attention enough anyways.

On an unrelated note, I'm sorry for dropping out of the Demigod game last night. Computer froze on loading screen and I hard to manually power it down and restart to get it going again. 

 

 

on Sep 28, 2009

As a practical matter no. This sort of thing never affects companies.

At worst, it would make us think that certain types of games aren't profitable anymore (if a boycott was successful).

Most people, myself included, don't care that much about politics.  It's an interesting topic but not something I care about.

on Sep 28, 2009

I guess I'm confused. You were annoyed that UPS withheld the money they pay FOX for advertising because FOX was using that money to fund a national show for Glenn Beck? What UPS (and the other companies who have done similar) did seems completely responsible to me.

The relationship they had with FOX went two-ways, of course. They pay FOX for advertisement slots and FOX advertises their service to their consider viewer-base. UPS was paying FOX for a service and FOX uses the advertising money to fund its programming. If UPS found that FOX was using that money for diabolical deeds (as funding a show for Glenn "White Culture" Beck is), why should UPS continue to pay FOX for advertising? UPS isn't exerting power, they're choosing to not fund a network which refuses to do something about a pretty hateful racist who is allowed to preach his beliefs to millions of viewers.

If I'm paying you to tell all the kids on the block about my lemonade stand and you do it, we have a good relationship. If you're using my money, however, to buy brass knuckles so you can more effectively beat up kids at the playground then I don't really care how effectively you advertised my lemonade stand, you're using my money for things I don't agree with.

on Sep 28, 2009

Read the other articles (and the comments) Brad, you don't seem very popular. Don't worry too much about it. Continue to produce superior products and the customers will be there. I'm sure a large percentage of the "leftists" buy their games with their allowance money. The others, most are probably smart enough to keep politics out of their gaming experiences.

The organization ColorofChange.org is driving the FOX boycott. I wonder how much support an organization that promoted a "white" agenda would get if it asked for boycotts against MSNBC for calling the tea party goers racists? This scenario has zero chance of happening.

If I were FOX, I'd charge UPS double for advertising when they come crawling back after seeing what their advertising dollars gets them on the liberal media outlets.

on Sep 28, 2009

Mittens: They boycotted all of Fox, not just Glenn Beck.

I could care less about Glenn Beck.  And frankly, I wouldn't have cared if UPS had pulled their ads from Fox if they had done so quietly. But they didn't. They had to "take a stance."

I'm not a huge fan of FOX. But as a conservative, it is nice that there's one station where my values aren't ridiculed. But I don't have some thing for Fox.

But Fox makes an easy target and it irritated me to see UPS playing such games. But it was something that wasn't a big deal until it got reposted by others.

The answer to speech you don't like is more speech. I don't want to support corporations who try to stifle free speech.

on Sep 28, 2009

If UPS found that FOX was using that money for diabolical deeds (as funding a show for Glenn "White Culture" Beck is), why should UPS continue to pay FOX for advertising? UPS isn't exerting power, they're choosing to not fund a network which refuses to do something about a pretty hateful racist who is allowed to preach his beliefs to millions of viewers.

It's interesting to think that any company, such as UPS, would all of a sudden pull ads from a TV station they knew before hand was the kind of station it is. I don't get why all of a sudden they would think "fox is bad" and pull their money from fox. It's not like fox went crazy over night. It's not like fox when from a great news station to some nazi like site and all of a sudden UPS felt they don't want to be related to them.

And Glenn a hateful racist? Perhaps you should look at Rev Wrights videos again and then maybe you can tell me what a real hateful racist looks like. Glenn may say some really stupid things from time to time, but hateful racist? If so then Fox news should be ashamed of themselves for allowing this but then there are so many hateful racist out there that get their 15 minutes, time and again.

on Sep 29, 2009

Reading through some of those comments is just mind blowing.  I just have to laugh at people who refer to Fox as "Faux News".  Do these people just ignore how biased the other 99% of the media is?

 

on Sep 29, 2009

Reading through some of those comments is just mind blowing. I just have to laugh at people who refer to Fox as "Faux News". Do these people just ignore how biased the other 99% of the media is?

I think they ignore them period. I have to wonder why so many people, who dislike them, happen to know so many details as to how bad Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Mark Lavin (spelling?) and  Glenn Beck are. This leads me to believe they actually watch them which would also explain why their ratings are so high. Gotta wonder why they watch them if they dislike them so much? This is like Howard Stern.

on Sep 29, 2009

  Do these people just ignore how biased the other 99% of the media is?

Yes.

And why wouldn't they? If they are ignorant, they don't know the facts and hence 99% of the media reporting one thing and Fox reporting another makes them believe that Fox is wrong.

 

on Sep 29, 2009

So, in a nutshell, a talk show host (Glenn Beck) on a network (Fox) says something inflammatory to many so the world's largest package delivery company  (UPS) very publicly announces they are pulling advertising from the entire network because of said remark.  A privately owned software company (Stardock) has a CEO that disagrees with UPS boycotting the entire network so he writes on his PRIVATE Facebook page that he isn't going to give business to UPS.

So the flame wars began and it seems to boil down to the Liberal side- Fox News is evil and Stardock is evil for punishing it's employees by taking up a personal beef with UPS (and UPS is cool for boycotting evil Fox News)  Conservative side- It's a free market.  UPS can stop advertising with Fox (although it seems pretty hypocritical since there are plenty of inflammatory things said on plenty of shows on plenty of other networks) and in turn, Stardock can stop using UPS.  Also, end users are free to not buy things from Stardock.  What's the big deal?

The other issue at hand in my opinion is, where is the outrage on the left that this person's freedoms are being tread on because he said something on his own personal Facebook page?  UPS had a very obvious public, political agenda.  Brad didn't go out and try to influence other companies to boycott UPS. 

on Sep 29, 2009

As a practical matter no. This sort of thing never affects companies.

I am curious. Do people who call for such boycotts even buy a lot of stuff when they are not boycotting? I know many such idealists, and they never seem to bother much with the buying of things or with keeping to their "boycott" when they started one.

I know I make buying decisions based on the politics of the supplier, but not about minor differences like "for public healthcare" or "against public healthcare".

 

on Sep 29, 2009

as funding a show for Glenn "White Culture" Beck is

Funny I've never heard Beck say anything in support of "white culture" (which you emphasis to make it sound dirty or shameful) or against any other racial culture. I see his show a lot (or listen to it while doing other things) as it is sandwiched between Cavuto and Special Report, two shows I like to watch. What would you think of him if he ran an organization like colorofchange.org - from their website - "ColorOfChange.org is comprised of Black folks from every economic class, as well as those of every color who seek to help our voices be heard." Now place the word "white" where you see black, this would then be considered racist rhetoric.

I'm all for equal voice, just against special privileges or treatment - for any group. 

Do these people just ignore how biased the other 99% of the media is?

Yep.

on Sep 29, 2009

Just got done reading as many comments on that gamepolitics peice.  I didn't think I could lose any more respect for the general population....I was wrong.  Not a lot of thinkers out there.

on Sep 29, 2009
on Sep 29, 2009

I agree with you what you are doing. Its a company trying to forces its ideology.  There was an article saying about how stardocks on foxnews.  People were saying how dare you guys do this or this shows that you're supporting GB or the best one is that you're putting politics into your 'business model'.

I think UPS is putting politics into their business model.  Here is why: first they boycott foxnews entirely (good for them they can do that).  They then go public about this (good for them they can do that but..) but why do this.  Is it really necessary?

Here's the kicker.  UPS advertises during Family Guy.  Can you see the double standards here? Does anyone else see the double standard (I'm not saying anything bad about Family Guy)?  Is this not hyprocrisy?

Brad, I said this to you before and I'll say it again: You were honest about boycotting UPS for them (UPS) boycotting an entire network for you feel that they (UPS) are pushing their ideology WILL always out weigh any lie that any person can spin against you.

Keep being open and honest.

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